World of Warcraft

 Problem isn't the balance. Its people who dont know how to pvp or pvp as a team. Ive taken more than my share of classes and done fine with all. Mage is far from easy as one may think but it certainly doesn't have the problems that you would say it has.

Originally posted by Bama1267

 Problem isn't the balance. Its people who dont know how to pvp or pvp as a team. Ive taken more than my share of classes and done fine with all. Mage is far from easy as one may think but it certainly doesn't have the problems that you would say it has.

If one class has to use teamwork and other classes don't, that indicates imbalance right there.

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Originally posted by fizzle322
I was specifically talking about Battlegrounds which is nothing more than 1v1 on a mass scale.

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What? No... it's not. This is why I vowed never to PvP in WoW again. Everyone is a freaking PvP expert and yet somehow miss all the basic points.

A battleground is NOT the same as 1v1. You won't receive incoming heals in a 1v1. You can't lure your opponent into nearby AoEs in a 1v1. You can't lock your opponent down with CC and wait for help in a 1v1. You can do all these things in a battleground, and your opponent has an opportunity to do the same to you.

Now, I mostly agree with the rest of what you were trying to say, just this one statement was incredibly dumb. Even the smallest battlegrounds are as far from 1v1 as you will ever get.

Originally posted by NagelFire

Then make an arena team, Get a good partner, get better, and be the #1 team in your battlegroup.

There are an ENDLESS number of these posts on the blizz forums.  If pvp isnt balenced, dont do pvp.

Paper is fine, Nerf rock.   ~Scissors

 Arena isn't balanced either (especially 2v2), and I'm talking from a standpoint of having a lock and rogue both on 2200+ teams.  It's easy mode if you have the right classes and not a complete noob atm.  It's very class and makeup dependent.

Class + Gear > Skill for the most part cept in mirrors.

Originally posted by fizzle322

 

As long as you have ppl like Tom Chilton working for Blizzard, PvP will NEVER be balanced.

4 classes totally dominate battlegrounds, and the rest are just free honor kills.

You got invisible people walking around that can stun you for damn near the whole fight, so you can't even fight back, and if they start losing no problem they just vanish into thin air.

Stunlock is not as easy as it seems.

You got Warlocks running around doing dot dot dot fear dot dot dot fear dot dot dot fear.

Fear is on dimishing returns and never works as intended. You cannot fear someone for eternity. Use your trinket.

Basically they put insta-cast damage over time spells on you, and then fear you so you just run around and can't control your character.

Their felpuppy pet can solo a mage by itself because it eats mana. No it can't it Devours Magic and detects Rogues.

You got Warrior/Pally combos running around, Warrior swinging a big axe that does 3k damage a swing, Pally running behind healing him.

If you attack the pally he bubbles T\this is on a cooldown se it to your advantage himself and becomes invincible while the Warrior 3-shots you.

Meanwhile Mages can only enter battlegrounds with 1 tree, frost, because it gives you ice barrier all mages get Ice Barrier and two ice blocks for when you meet Mr Rogue Mr Warlock Mr Warrior and Mr Hunter.

Basic strategy Mage vs Warlock, just run away, you are a free kill, you won't even get a spell off before you get dotted up and feared. Yes, Warlocks beat Rogues. Warlocks loose to Rogues, Warriors and Hunters.  Mages beat Melee.

Mage version of crowd control? Sheep, WHICH HEALS YOUR OPPONENTS TO FULL.

So if the warrior is wailing on you, and if you can cast sheep, you can breath easy for 6 seconds, while sheep heals him to full.

Mage main nukes are 3 second cast fireball and 2.5 second cast frost bolt, but almost nobody uses them. You can't use 3 second cast spells in battlegrounds, because of spell pushback, if someone attacks you you start recasting from the beginning.

You try to explain all this on the Blizzard forums you get the same answer from blue all the time.

"We don't balance the game for 1v1"  BG isn't 1v1, it's 10v10, 15v15, etc..

Which basically means "yeah we know the game isn't balanced."

Bottom line if you love PvP or like to play Mage characters in games, then just find another game.

Their lead game balance guy basically hates Mages.

Basic logic dictates that if a character has the LOWEST armor and LOWEST health in the game, he should do the most damage right?

Instead Blizzard has implemented a policy of "equalization."

What that means is that hybrid classes, leather classes, mail classes, even plate classes, can ALL do as much if not more dps than a guy wearing a robe.

Yes the plate wearing warrior with 12000 hp with the right spec can outdps a robe-wearing Mage with 7000 hp. You need better gear if you only have 7000 health

But wait there's more.

Basic logic dictates that if your main tool is stealth, then you can't also have the best damage in the game, because then why would anyone want to be visible and also do LESS damage? That just doesn't make sense.

And yet, the class that walks around invisible is also the one with the highest dps in the game. You must mean mages as they are the only ones that go invisible

Thats like cloakers in Planetside carrying Jackhammers while ppl in Rexo armor carry pistols.

Thats like covert ops in Eve carrying a Doomsday Device while Battleships all have 2 small railguns.

I have never seen such complete lack of balance in any game.

And Blizz justifies it with 7 simple words : "We dont balance the game for 1v1"

More like you don't balance the game at ALL.

You should go play AoC, you'd be happier there...
 

Originally posted by Aethios

 

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Originally posted by fizzle322
I was specifically talking about Battlegrounds which is nothing more than 1v1 on a mass scale.

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What? No... it's not. This is why I vowed never to PvP in WoW again. Everyone is a freaking PvP expert and yet somehow miss all the basic points.

A battleground is NOT the same as 1v1. You won't receive incoming heals in a 1v1. You can't lure your opponent into nearby AoEs in a 1v1. You can't lock your opponent down with CC and wait for help in a 1v1. You can do all these things in a battleground, and your opponent has an opportunity to do the same to you.

Now, I mostly agree with the rest of what you were trying to say, just this one statement was incredibly dumb. Even the smallest battlegrounds are as far from 1v1 as you will ever get.

This is mostly a class dependent viewpoint.

Mage tactics in battlegrounds is you have to try to sit at the edge of a battle and nuke, you have to try to use LOS and hide behind trees, etc.

So when a rogue comes over to say hi, there is nobody to help you, there are no heals, its just you and him 30 yards from everybody else.

Everybody specifically goes after Mages first, because they know you have 7k health and wearing cloth, in Eve terms its live flying a Scorpion, you are always the first to be called "Primary."

For all the problems in Eve at least it has excellent PvP balance.

If you die in Eve it was basically a mistake you made.

If you die in WoW the mistake was you chose the wrong class.

Originally posted by Xiaoki

And quite frankly, he is right. You can NOT balance any MMO perfectly for 1 on 1 PvP.

You will always have tiers. Some classes will always be netter and some will always be worse, that is inevitable.

Fighting games don't have perfect balance and that whole genre was built off 1 on 1 fighting.

Perfect balance would mean every one being the same class and the same spec and having the same gear. There, there is your perfect 1 on 1 balance.

 

The only way you would have any hope of balancing PvP is to remove stats from all gear, that way you'd be more equal and not have S4 v. Greens...

yea dude we were playing in arena against a 3v3 team of all mages and they were virtually unbeatable, i dunno what this person is complaining about

Originally posted by mbd1968

No, stop trying to spread misinformatrion.

Ice Barrier is a 31 point Ice talent.

Trinket is 5 minute cooldown and theres nothing stopping him from fearing you twice.

A gnome mage in 70 pvp gear has ~ 7k health unbuffed.

A human mage in 70 pvp gear has ~ 7.5k health unbuffed.

Even if you dont get feared, a Warlock can outdps a Mage and has more hp, so even if you stand at 30 paces and cast with no fear and no cc, Mage still loses.

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