Lineage II

Originally posted by UbahNecro

Cause the current playerbase in Lineage II has close to no idea what progression actually is.  They just think it's Character and Clan levels.

The game is good, even with all of its imbalances, but most of the people who play this game really don't know how to play through MMORPGs.  A large majority of them are FPS quasi-players and they play the game in that manner - which is sad.

I take issue with this given most of the people that are still playing this MMORPG like the old school appeal it has and are not newcomers to the MMORPG scene

WoW was fun for 2 weeks.

dude whine some more plz

ur the one crying about dieing, u do in every post u make lol

ive played since open beta and still find the game fun. idk maybe ur clan is baddies?

Originally posted by Hoplites

Originally posted by UbahNecro

Cause the current playerbase in Lineage II has close to no idea what progression actually is.  They just think it's Character and Clan levels.

The game is good, even with all of its imbalances, but most of the people who play this game really don't know how to play through MMORPGs.  A large majority of them are FPS quasi-players and they play the game in that manner - which is sad.

 

I take issue with this given most of the people that are still playing this MMORPG like the old school appeal it has and are not newcomers to the MMORPG scene

You can take issue with whatever you please.

I am not a newcomer to the MMORPG genre, and I see most Lineage II players playing it like a first person shooter.

There are fraps on YouTube you can watch, as well as on FileFront/L2Blah.

Originally posted by pimpdizzle

dude whine some more plz

ur the one crying about dieing, u do in every post u make lol

ive played since open beta and still find the game fun. idk maybe ur clan is baddies?

Please quote me where I whine about dying?

In a PvP MMO people really shouldn't die in 1-3 seconds.  It makes not not very PvP'ish.

Case in point?  Read the Age of Conan forums, where people are experiencing the "Power" of 1-2 shot on a constant basis.  Many of those players come from Lineage II (I know quite a few).

My accounts are cancelled.  So I have no clan (but they were a top clan on my server).  My problems don't stem from being low on the in-game food chain, they stem from the game's issues.

Originally posted by UbahNecro

Originally posted by Hoplites

Originally posted by UbahNecro

Cause the current playerbase in Lineage II has close to no idea what progression actually is.  They just think it's Character and Clan levels.

The game is good, even with all of its imbalances, but most of the people who play this game really don't know how to play through MMORPGs.  A large majority of them are FPS quasi-players and they play the game in that manner - which is sad.

 

I take issue with this given most of the people that are still playing this MMORPG like the old school appeal it has and are not newcomers to the MMORPG scene

 

You can take issue with whatever you please.

I am not a newcomer to the MMORPG genre, and I see most Lineage II players playing it like a first person shooter.

There are fraps on YouTube you can watch, as well as on FileFront/L2Blah.

What do you mean by first person shooter?  You mean the game is about PVP at the upper levels?  Well that is what the game is about at the upper levels.

Have you ever Played an FPS game like Quake, Unreal Tournament, Doom, etc.?

It's pretty self-explanatory.

Alot of Lineage II players are hardcore FPS players.  Alot of them play games like COD4 etc.  It's their style, the game suits them with it's Linear Progression (relative to most other MMOs).

Yep, that's what the game is like at the upper levels, and that's why everyone rushes through them.  It's hard to play at a casual pace and do anything other than solo 1/2 the time.  It is extremely hard to enjoy playing when you don't have buffs (which is why they are putting newbie buffs to level 62).

Vitality XP will only help those who play very casually, and they will still be outleveled by the more hardcore players due to sheer playtime alone.

I can outlevel my roomate in other games with Vitality/Rested XP systems (EQ2/WoW) even if I don't do any quests and just grind on mobs while he quests (usually the fastest way to level in those games) even when I leave my toon online 24/7 because the playtimes are much > the extra XP you get from those systems.

Unless LIneage II's Vitality System will be a much bigger XP bonus than those other games.

Originally posted by UbahNecro

Have you ever Played an FPS game like Quake, Unreal Tournament, Doom, etc.?

It's pretty self-explanatory.

Alot of Lineage II players are hardcore FPS players.  Alot of them play games like COD4 etc.  It's their style, the game suits them with it's Linear Progression (relative to most other MMOs).

Yes I have played FPS games and RTS games and L2's point and click system is more closer to RTS games than FPS games.

You might need to clarify what you are intending to convey.

Hardcore FPS and RTS players are not allowed to play MMORPG's?  I guess all those playing WoW must be pure MMORPG players right? 

 Hardcore players always will have an edge in any MMORPG over casual players.  Not sure how this is a specific problem to L2?

Originally posted by Hoplites

Originally posted by UbahNecro

Have you ever Played an FPS game like Quake, Unreal Tournament, Doom, etc.?

It's pretty self-explanatory.

Alot of Lineage II players are hardcore FPS players.  Alot of them play games like COD4 etc.  It's their style, the game suits them with it's Linear Progression (relative to most other MMOs).

 

Yes I have played FPS games and RTS games and L2's point and click system is more closer to RTS games than FPS games.

You might need to clarify what you are intending to convey.

Hardcore FPS and RTS players are not allowed to play MMORPG's?  I guess all those playing WoW must be pure MMORPG players right? 

 

 

What clarrification is needed?  Why do you feel the need to ask rhetorical questions (I shouldn't answer them, since they aren't seriously in need of an answer).

I'm saying that the L2 community has attracted a large number of these players.  Playstyles are contagious.  When you have 1 successful player playing a game like a FPS, all the other players who want to be as successful will follow suit.

On top of that Lineage II's PvP system does not encourage diversified playstyles in Open/Seige PvP.  It is about killing the target as fast as possible.  They have made it too easy to kill people in short spans of time, and what countermeasures they have put in have done little to prevent that while allowing other classes to live basically forever (Saggitarius with Quiver of Holding and QHP/CP Pots).

The itemization and setups in the game are very "template".  There really aren't many options unless you like losing 90% of the matches you fight.

Characters and their skills progress extremely linearly and there isn't much diversity within archetypes.

There are alot of things, I just don't have the time to list it all and alot of it is fairly obvious.  Plus, the Olympics are on :)

Like I said, my clan was a top clan on the server, and I'd hardly classify myself as a casual player :)  Those are hardly factors in my reasoning.  Can you understand that?

I'm not whining to get my way (I have everything I want in game), I'm just giving my observations on the game itself.