WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by sunlion69

War, on the other hand, took the ladder and smacked you in the head with it. They make no illusions that it is anything more than that. It will come down to who enjoys climbing the ladder.

... or, those who simply enjoy playing the game and are having too much fun to care either way :-p.

Hell, I can think back to games I played as a kid (Atari 2600 era) and compare them to ladders in much the same way. Much simpler ones, albeit.. but ladders nonetheless. The goal of practically any game is to get better, or invoking the ladder comparison - to "get to the top".

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by sunlion69

War, on the other hand, took the ladder and smacked you in the head with it. They make no illusions that it is anything more than that. It will come down to who enjoys climbing the ladder.

 

... or, those who simply enjoy playing the game and are having too much fun to care either way :-p.

Hell, I can think back to games I played as a kid (Atari 2600 era) and compare them to ladders in much the same way. Much simpler ones, albeit.. but ladders nonetheless. The goal of practically any game is to get better, or invoking the ladder comparison - to "get to the top".

 

Exactly my point. Was merely using the ladder analogy as it is the topic of discussion.

Raben, where did you go? I spent all this time reading everything everyone said and now you seem to be speechless. Heck, this thread went like a ladder.

1. At first a few people thought you were wrong, some agreed with you

2. Then a few more thought you were wrong, you disagreed

3. Then almost everyone said you're not technically wrong but you are stating the obvious.

4. Then almost everyone realized you were stating the obvious and just insulting people, proving nothing.

5. This is the level I hope you are on now. Realizing you're not intelligent and everyone else isn't stupid.

(BTW, I loved the "you might as well say the sky is open" analogy to whoever said that, very clever)

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

First off, I love WAR. Its fun, enjoyable, and entertaining. Dont take this as a flame, but it would be nice for the player base to recognize it for what it is.

Warhammer = Linear Ladder system + Counter strike + minimal character development.

I like counter strike, i like unreal tournament, i love the one side vs another side pvp, I also like rpgs and the depth of character development they bring.

If you really think about it, you have 3 maps, with players running around in them and they are broken up into 1, 2, 3, and 4. Its a ladder. There is no world, there is no sandbox, no actual depth to the game world. Its just zone 1-4 in which you pvp. There are 3 ladders which you can pick from but they are the same.

Its more like... Spore. You start off small, and just advance into the next stage, then the next and thats it.

The items and character development are very very very very minimal. It reminds me of the korean f2p mmorpg item types in which you have one set per 10 levels and they are all the same look wise except for a few stat changes here and there.

Further more, even the career paths are ladders.

Basically Warhammer online is one big digital Ladder. aka the WARLadder Online.

Its fun, but its also very linear compared to other MMORPGs on the market. Its a clever illusion, which is the basis of game design, but like games like Guild Wars, and even AoC's instance world play, Mythic is making short cuts to get around actually designing a mmorpg world which many have come to expect from the games that started it all.

Its not a bad thing, it funnels the pvp, keeps it organized, but its missing the spirit and design of a full fledged mmorpg.

 

Pretty much what I thought about it.
Nice game, but not enough RPG component in it, it s more like a FPS turnament in a persistent world rather than instanced areas.

Not very appealing to me, but mant people will like it.

I didnt feel like reading thru all 6 pages so someone might have said this already.. to the OP's 1st post.. im not 100% positive but im pretty sure mythic has said from the start they was "making a great "game" not a "world"".

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

 

Semantics? Champ, I'm talking about game design here. Dont take it out on me because you are bitter at work. Again your problem is you have 0 ability as far as reading comprehension goes. You just jumped the gun and didnt read anything, much less understand and reply appropriately. You seem to think everything is a troll post if "WAR is the bestest best omg iloveits" in the subject line. Grow up.

Rabenwolf,

While I have enjoyed reading most of your responses, due completely to your grammar, I have to wonder as to the true nature of your bringing such higher echelons of thought into these forums.  One would assume that a person capable of thinking through whole and complete sentences would also be able to postulate the plausible responses of their audience.  While your entire point of view and all susbtantiating arguments may have been expertly constructed, they are more suited elsewhere.

While I'm not a religious person by any means, I beleive a quick google search of "Mathew 7:6" may further assist my point.

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by Noggin

Yes Warhammer holds your hand and leads you through the world and level progression, nobody can say otherwise.

 

Warhammer isn't a sandbox and it's not trying nor pretending to be.

 

What you describe covers so many games, many of them very popular.

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve with this post really, you could change the word Warhammer to a vast number of other titles and many points would still apply with regards to how characters progress through a game with levels.

 

What Mythic have done, for the most part, isn't anything new, anyone can see that, but what they have done is looked at many other games, drawn from their experience and repackaged it all under a great IP with some nice innovations of their own on top.

 

It worked and it's a really fun experience.

 

You didnt read the original post did you? If you did you chose to ignore it because you felt the need to counter it for most likely personal satisfaction.

Read it again. I made it clear it was designed that way. I made it clear that is a fun game. You just refuse to read, and in turn act stupid by ignoring the contents of the original post.

I'm sorry I wasted my time here. Thankfully the servers are up now.

I wish I had the same option.  Sitting at work reading this same crap all day long makes me wonder how the world has made it to where it is today.  OP, you have nothing more than conjectures here.  Your arguments over semantics are meaningless and unwarranted.

 

Semantics? Champ, I'm talking about game design here. Dont take it out on me because you are bitter at work. Again your problem is you have 0 ability as far as reading comprehension goes. You just jumped the gun and didnt read anything, much less understand and reply appropriately. You seem to think everything is a troll post if "WAR is the bestest best omg iloveits" in the subject line. Grow up.

Your telling me to grow up and you post this; "You seem to think everything is a troll post if "WAR is the bestest best omg iloveits" in the subject line."  Cute, just cute.

My reading comprehension is just fine.  Your here complaining about how WAR is a ladder yet you "Love" it.  What you fail to see is that every bloody game out there has the same "design". 

Cant you understand sarcasm Locklain? He wasnt being childish. He typed that sentence to highlight the sort of childish crap WAR troll supporters use.

You just dont get it do you. Clearly your reading skills are NOT up to scratch like he said. Rabenwolf was never complaining about the game. He was just pointing out how simplistic and basic its game design was. I have played plenty of games that I know are actually crap but I can still get enjoyment out of them. In fact I have played very few mmos that I would actually describe as good games. However the fact that I play a game doesnt mean I have to say it is brilliant. I rarely play an mmo because it is good but rather because it is the best on offer.

Yeah you're right every mmo suffers from crappy basic game design like WAR does which is why none of them are ever as good as they could be. Rabenwolf is clearly well aware of this fact as he never said that WAR is worse than any other game.

Rabenwolf is not the troll here. He is the valient knight who has ventured into the uncivilised lands armed with logic and simple fact and as we all know trolls despise these holy weapons and are drawn to them like insects to a bright light.

Keep up the good work Rabenwolf. You are doing a grand job of fighting off the trolls!

Originally posted by Manchine

Originally posted by Cabe2323

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

minimal character development.

 

 

I just picked up on this point and I wondered exactly what you meant.

 

There are more ways to shape your character in Warhammer than I've seen in most games.

 

First, Mastery Points (Talent Trees)

Second, Renown Points (Alter your stats, resistances, xp gain rate and other things)

Third, Tactics I think you can have 5 or 6 tactics and 10 sets of those to switch between.

Forth, Morale abilities - There are many combinations of these.

Fifth, Talismans and Gear.

 

These are 5 ways that I can think of of the top of my head to develop your character.

 

How is that minimal?

 

Exactly. 

The OP made this post to troll WAR but either "A" hasn't read about the game, "B" hasn't played the game, or "C" just wants to troll even knowing what he is saying is false. 

Warhammer has more character customization then World of Warcraft does. 

Warhammer has a large open world and isn't all closed off like AoC or Guild Wars. 

 

 

I read the first post and the first thing I thought was TROLL. 

I read your post and the first thing I thought was FANBOY.