WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by greymann

Originally posted by LeKinK

Originally posted by Roguewiz

WoW is about as threatened by WAR taking over the #1 slot, as the US is threatened by the fact that France might attack us.

See the irony?  Neither will ever happen.  I like WAR, I'm playing in Kislev.  However, the game is a niche market.  It'll be the #2 MMO, but it will never beat WoW.  Too many fanboys.  Not to mention the fact that WoW has a BIG lead.

 

I don't see why the french could not attack the US, after all, a bunch of cave dwellers did it on 9/11.  They just have to do it undercover..

 

Heh, yeah cave dwellers with millions of dollars.  Besides it was an inside job.  The french?  You mean those people whose asses we saved twice now?  They don't have balls as big as the cave dwellers.

lol,  but yea,  you think france is a poor country?  They could work it from the inside as well with more freedom.   They have the same amount of hair tho.

 No MMO has ever been killed by another. Let alone WoW

Blizzard will constantly be nerfing 'old' content because they want as many players as possible to be ready to buy Wraith on November 13th.

On October 14, they are also reducing the exp needed to go from 60-70 by about 30%.   Again, this isn't because of Warhammer, it's because they want players to be at 70 and ready for Wrath.

WOW has nothing to worry about from Warhammer.  Warhammer box sales have dropped to #30 already, and Xfire is showing a DECREASE in players.  This Wednesday had 15% less players than last Wednesday.  And read these forums, there are a lot of us that won't be logging in once our free time is over.

Originally posted by Azrile

Blizzard will constantly be nerfing 'old' content because they want as many players as possible to be ready to buy Wraith on November 13th.

On October 14, they are also reducing the exp needed to go from 60-70 by about 30%.   Again, this isn't because of Warhammer, it's because they want players to be at 70 and ready for Wrath.

WOW has nothing to worry about from Warhammer.  Warhammer box sales have dropped to #30 already, and Xfire is showing a DECREASE in players.  This Wednesday had 15% less players than last Wednesday.  And read these forums, there are a lot of us that won't be logging in once our free time is over.

You really can't use XFire as a means to measure how good/bad a game is doing. It's been some time since I used it, but if I remember right; it only tracks Xfire users playing the game. Thus, if 10k people are using XFire and playing WAR and 5k quit playing, that isn't justification to say a game is doing bad.  They could have disabled all non-essential system processes.

 

Originally posted by Roguewiz

WoW is about as threatened by WAR taking over the #1 slot, as the US is threatened by the fact that France might attack us.

See the irony?  Neither will ever happen.  I like WAR, I'm playing in Kislev.  However, the game is a niche market.  It'll be the #2 MMO, but it will never beat WoW.  Too many fanboys.  Not to mention the fact that WoW has a BIG lead.

Well....I'm not crazy about how this thread has spiraled in to an unsavory political debate because of this post (it probably wasn't the best analogy to use), BUT....I do agree with the "niche market" comment.

Let me use a different (hopefully less volatile) analogy.

Tori Amos, the singer/songwriter/musician, has a CULT following.  She is extremely successful, by any industry standards, and I, personally, love her music.  However....it is unlikely that oh, say.....Mariah Carey fans....are going to go flocking to see Tori Amos in concert.  Both singer/songwriters, both very talented....TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT STYLES.

Now why can people understand something simple like THAT, and yet the whole game style thing eludes them?  I don't get it.

Warhammer is, indeed, directed at a niche market (much like Tori Amos, in comparison).  Mariah Carey fans (read WoW fans) would not ENJOY Tori's music, very likely, and would probably feel very uncomfortable with the people that would be at her concerts.  It's NOT their "style."  Capiche?  Very simple.

Does it mean WAR won't be successful?  Uhm....lol....noooo!  Does it mean WoW is going to come crashing to the ground, losing every fan they have, rendering them a flop?  Ermhmm.....uhh, little late for that, I think.  It's already an established success and an AWFULLY lot of people love it.

I don't think Blizzard is quivering in their boots.  However, I do believe they are ALERT and that it will be good for ALL GAMERS to have some healthy competition in the market that keeps the devs on their toes and constantly trying to improve our games.  WE....the gamers....are the ultimate winners.

Originally posted by Roguewiz

Originally posted by Azrile

Blizzard will constantly be nerfing 'old' content because they want as many players as possible to be ready to buy Wraith on November 13th.

On October 14, they are also reducing the exp needed to go from 60-70 by about 30%.   Again, this isn't because of Warhammer, it's because they want players to be at 70 and ready for Wrath.

WOW has nothing to worry about from Warhammer.  Warhammer box sales have dropped to #30 already, and Xfire is showing a DECREASE in players.  This Wednesday had 15% less players than last Wednesday.  And read these forums, there are a lot of us that won't be logging in once our free time is over.

You really can't use XFire as a means to measure how good/bad a game is doing. It's been some time since I used it, but if I remember right; it only tracks Xfire users playing the game. Thus, if 10k people are using XFire and playing WAR and 5k quit playing, that isn't justification to say a game is doing bad.

 

Actually it tracks almost 5% of players, which is a pretty big sample size to draw conclusions from.  There are 12k players using Xfire out of the roughly 500k total players.  Compare that to Gallop polling who polls 1k voters to 'guess' the voting habits of 200 million voters.   Also Xfire almost always shows proportionality when used to estimate a games subscribers.  You could use Xfire to see that Warhammer has about 500k subscribers (before they put out their press release) by comparing it's numbers to AOC back on June 30th when they announced 415k subscribers.. and both games show proportionality when compared to WOW's 5M NA/EU players.  Every time a company releases numbers, Xfire is shown to be fairly accurate.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Roguewiz

Originally posted by Azrile

Blizzard will constantly be nerfing 'old' content because they want as many players as possible to be ready to buy Wraith on November 13th.

On October 14, they are also reducing the exp needed to go from 60-70 by about 30%.   Again, this isn't because of Warhammer, it's because they want players to be at 70 and ready for Wrath.

WOW has nothing to worry about from Warhammer.  Warhammer box sales have dropped to #30 already, and Xfire is showing a DECREASE in players.  This Wednesday had 15% less players than last Wednesday.  And read these forums, there are a lot of us that won't be logging in once our free time is over.

You really can't use XFire as a means to measure how good/bad a game is doing. It's been some time since I used it, but if I remember right; it only tracks Xfire users playing the game. Thus, if 10k people are using XFire and playing WAR and 5k quit playing, that isn't justification to say a game is doing bad.

 

 

Actually it tracks almost 5% of players, which is a pretty big sample size to draw conclusions from.  There are 12k players using Xfire out of the roughly 500k total players.  Compare that to Gallop polling who polls 1k voters to 'guess' the voting habits of 200 million voters.   Also Xfire almost always shows proportionality when used to estimate a games subscribers.  You could use Xfire to see that Warhammer has about 500k subscribers (before they put out their press release) by comparing it's numbers to AOC back on June 30th when they announced 415k subscribers.. and both games show proportionality when compared to WOW's 5M NA/EU players.  Every time a company releases numbers, Xfire is shown to be fairly accurate.

Hmm, that must be new, or my memory isn't as good as it used to be.  Either way, it is good to know that it is sitting at around 500kish subscribers.  I guess we'll see how good/bad the game is doing once the free month is over.  I'll more than likely still be playing.  I just have no desire to return to that crap PvP system that WoW has.
 

Originally posted by Roguewiz

See the irony?  Neither will ever happen.  I like WAR, I'm playing in Kislev.  However, the game is a niche market.  It'll be the #2 MMO, but it will never beat WoW.  Too many fanboys.  Not to mention the fact that WoW has a BIG lead.

I agree though I would ask at what point is a game no longer just a 'niche' market?  

I think maybe one million consistent customers (internationally, not just concentrated in one country) would be a decent level for a MMORPG to get out of the 'niche' label.    We'll have to see if WAR will be able to attain and maintain those numbers three months from now.  

If it does that I would think WAR would no longer be a niche game, but just another mainstream video/computer game that happens to be a MMORPG.