WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by daylight01

Sorry but I totally dis-agree here,sure you get the odd asshat that whines about healing but so far they have been very much in the minority,more often than not I get emote /thanks or ppl saying that they were chuffed with the healing.

I am beginning to think you arent in a guild yet or indeed reached something like lvl 20,like I said in a previuos post it is all about multi-tasking and team work to do well,try get yourself into a guild and learn how to rvr heal and get out the mindset that you alone should save everyone with your healing.

Well your playing a different WAR than I'm playing  .....

Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by banthis

The Archmage is not a PURE healer he shouldn't have all the super baubles etc.  He's in line with his Warhammer lore as an offensive healer.  He's a Caster / Healer not to mention you've yet to specify what level you are.  It sounds like nothing but a bunch of QQing from someone who thinks at lvl 10 you should have all the skill in the game.  If your not over lvl 15 there's no reason to whine for more options your not supposed to have all the options.  To be honest Archmages piss me off they're rather hard to kill and a good one makes it rather hard to kill the target your on.   Sounds like your one of those QQ gimme everything right now players.....sorry this game isn't for you move on or try a different healer.  Or better yet reach lvl 20, train in mastery and shut the hell up.

Warhammer has lots of options spread out over 3 races, each healer plays differently.  The rune priest is the pure healer, the archmage is the 'caster healer' and the warrior priest is the battle healer...(damn WPs!!).

 

This post is an excellent representation of Warhammer's community.  What this person fails to realize is that he totally missed the OP entire point.  Not to mention he spouts the same glaring error that alot of warhmmer fans do.  Play the game to x level before it gets good?  That's about as silly as buying a car, and waiting x amount of days, before you can drive it.

If the game isn't midly entertaining from the start.  IMHO it's already failed.  You play a game to have fun, not work up until you can have fun.  Oh, and I really liked that bit I highlighted red.  I really wouldn't brag about something like that, when other MMO's.  Manage to do what Mythic did over 3 races, with just one class.  (See: EQ2, EQ1, WoW, etc etc)

The OP never clearly stated his point. The only thing we gather is that he's not  being sent presents in the mail and getting high 5's for doing the exact role he's supposed to be.

Look some people in the game  cry about dying. They are fucking afraid of it and when noone is around instead of fighting to the end turn around and run like cowards to their death. They cry heal after the fact. Half the time it's a fucking moron BW trying to AoE nuke shit or a tank that got a big head and went too far out of healers range.

Healers heal decent/good players fine. You CAN NOT heal stupidity.

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Roin

I believe the OP is trying to make a point, of the lack of options as a Healer.  If you want to see what a good combat healer can be like.  Try EQ2's Fury class.  Group buffs, AOE Heal, AOE Hot, Quick HoT's, Slow HoTs.  Plus some nice damage oriented stuff, and the ability to actually melee if need be.

Warhammers healers are just lacking in that respect.  Not much in the way of buffs, not much in the way of healing.  So you're basically get bored using the same 2 or 3 things over and over.  Yes, they heal well,  but they are just too linear in their execution.

 

Thank goodness someone that see's what I'm trying to get at here ..  

Actually I think Roin misses the point by the furthest possible margin.

Point to a PvE games healer class as an example of what a "good combat healer" as if it relates to a game that is designed for PvP isn't a very solid comparison.  EQ2 has zero balance for PvP, because PvP was tacked on as an afterthought and is pretty much a miserable failure of a system.  Healers in Warhammer are not supposed to be healbots.

Honestly there isn't much AE damage in Warhammer that is worth getting concerned about and needs to be countered by AE heals.  There isn't a huge need for AE heals and quit frankly healing is perhaps the most powerful tool on the battlefield right now.  On my warrior priest I can mitigate the damage of any single class attacking me AND heal some of my team mates at the same time.   I've seen every destruction healer nullify my shadow warriors damage and still toss out some heals to the team. 

I don't really see much need for area heals to be honest.  Focus fire and burst damage is what kills people and direct heals/mitigation are the best counter to that.

Also Runpriests are the healers that specialize in group buffs if I recall right.

Originally posted by Unicorns_Pwn

Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by banthis

The Archmage is not a PURE healer he shouldn't have all the super baubles etc.  He's in line with his Warhammer lore as an offensive healer.  He's a Caster / Healer not to mention you've yet to specify what level you are.  It sounds like nothing but a bunch of QQing from someone who thinks at lvl 10 you should have all the skill in the game.  If your not over lvl 15 there's no reason to whine for more options your not supposed to have all the options.  To be honest Archmages piss me off they're rather hard to kill and a good one makes it rather hard to kill the target your on.   Sounds like your one of those QQ gimme everything right now players.....sorry this game isn't for you move on or try a different healer.  Or better yet reach lvl 20, train in mastery and shut the hell up.

Warhammer has lots of options spread out over 3 races, each healer plays differently.  The rune priest is the pure healer, the archmage is the 'caster healer' and the warrior priest is the battle healer...(damn WPs!!).

 

This post is an excellent representation of Warhammer's community.  What this person fails to realize is that he totally missed the OP entire point.  Not to mention he spouts the same glaring error that alot of warhmmer fans do.  Play the game to x level before it gets good?  That's about as silly as buying a car, and waiting x amount of days, before you can drive it.

If the game isn't midly entertaining from the start.  IMHO it's already failed.  You play a game to have fun, not work up until you can have fun.  Oh, and I really liked that bit I highlighted red.  I really wouldn't brag about something like that, when other MMO's.  Manage to do what Mythic did over 3 races, with just one class.  (See: EQ2, EQ1, WoW, etc etc)

The OP never clearly stated his point. The only thing we gather is that he's not  being sent presents in the mail and getting high 5's for doing the exact role he's supposed to be.

Look some people in the game  cry about dying. They are fucking afraid of it and when noone is around instead of fighting to the end turn around and run like cowards to their death. They cry heal after the fact. Half the time it's a fucking moron BW trying to AoE nuke shit or a tank that got a big head and went too far out of healers range.

 

Healers heal decent/good players fine. You CAN NOT heal stupidity.

Indeed,I had 1 BW that died twice in 1 min that whinned about healing,I quickly reminded him that he isnt a tank and if he acts like 1 he wont get any heals,Is all about proritising your healing,basically I am healing the tanks any healers(including myself) that needs it then the dps guys,melee dps 1st then ranged,If I see a bw like I said trying to nuke everything by himself or tank I aint going to waste my AP on him.
 

By the way that BW ended up dieing over 10 times as me and the other RP decided not to heal him as a.he wasnt worth the effort and b.teach ppl not to whine about the heals :P

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by Unicorns_Pwn

Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by banthis

The Archmage is not a PURE healer he shouldn't have all the super baubles etc.  He's in line with his Warhammer lore as an offensive healer.  He's a Caster / Healer not to mention you've yet to specify what level you are.  It sounds like nothing but a bunch of QQing from someone who thinks at lvl 10 you should have all the skill in the game.  If your not over lvl 15 there's no reason to whine for more options your not supposed to have all the options.  To be honest Archmages piss me off they're rather hard to kill and a good one makes it rather hard to kill the target your on.   Sounds like your one of those QQ gimme everything right now players.....sorry this game isn't for you move on or try a different healer.  Or better yet reach lvl 20, train in mastery and shut the hell up.

Warhammer has lots of options spread out over 3 races, each healer plays differently.  The rune priest is the pure healer, the archmage is the 'caster healer' and the warrior priest is the battle healer...(damn WPs!!).

 

This post is an excellent representation of Warhammer's community.  What this person fails to realize is that he totally missed the OP entire point.  Not to mention he spouts the same glaring error that alot of warhmmer fans do.  Play the game to x level before it gets good?  That's about as silly as buying a car, and waiting x amount of days, before you can drive it.

If the game isn't midly entertaining from the start.  IMHO it's already failed.  You play a game to have fun, not work up until you can have fun.  Oh, and I really liked that bit I highlighted red.  I really wouldn't brag about something like that, when other MMO's.  Manage to do what Mythic did over 3 races, with just one class.  (See: EQ2, EQ1, WoW, etc etc)

The OP never clearly stated his point. The only thing we gather is that he's not  being sent presents in the mail and getting high 5's for doing the exact role he's supposed to be.

Look some people in the game  cry about dying. They are fucking afraid of it and when noone is around instead of fighting to the end turn around and run like cowards to their death. They cry heal after the fact. Half the time it's a fucking moron BW trying to AoE nuke shit or a tank that got a big head and went too far out of healers range.

 

Healers heal decent/good players fine. You CAN NOT heal stupidity.

Indeed,I had 1 BW that died twice in 1 min that whinned about healing,I quickly reminded him that he isnt a tank and if he acts like 1 he wont get any heals,Is all about proritising your healing,basically I am healing the tanks any healers(including myself) that needs it then the dps guys,melee dps 1st then ranged,If I see a bw like I said trying to nuke everything by himself or tank I aint going to waste my AP on him.
 

By the way that BW ended up dieing over 10 times as me and the other RP decided not to heal him as a.he wasnt worth the effort and b.teach ppl not to whine about the heals :P

Part of it boils down to personal resposibility. By the time you're in T2 you'll see  BW running into groups of enemies, you'll see a tank run too far in hopes of knocking down the relic holder, or maybe even someone knockback someone about to die or holding the relic into a group of healers.

Just because you have an ability doesn't mean you have to use it immediately or in the situation you find yourself. When people start to play a bit more intelligently and within the means of their class all the other classes and their utility starts to shine. People are focusing way more on abilities than the classes utility.

Originally posted by summitus

You know what every time I play there are people shouting where the heals etc ! whats the healer doin ! why are they not healing us ! .... and it easy to see why when you start plaing as healer .. " There's no Point  " at the moment , you might as well just stand behind everyone else and use your damage spells and heal yourself ... people just cant see it , this is why healers are not healing it does'nt happen in other games because people have the right things in place to enjoy their healer class and get much more out of the game .   Anyone thats played a minstrel in Lotro will understand what I'm saying here. This does not happen in other Mmo's Healers Heal in WAR they are not bothering .....  so something is wrong with it simple as that.

 

You compare the Archmage to the Minstrel in LOTROL, are you pvp healing there or pve? As there is a massive difference as you should well know.

Second off you are complaining that you dont have all the heal types you want as an Archmage.

The Archmage class was there before you decided to play it, you should have checked what type of healer it was as well as what type of heals were available to it before choosing it.

Choosing to play and then complaining that it does not have what you want it pretty lame if you ask me.

You need to go back to the drawing board and start again, find a class that ifts your play style as the Archmagecertainly does not.

Originally posted by summitus

Ok I dont know if anyone else is finding this, I've finally settled on being anh Archmage Healer..... but FFS ! where are the group heals and buffs ?????? No wonder Order are continually getting ass wiped ...

So Mythic FFS give us some group healing and Buffs and let those that want make a career out Healing do it properly !!

I'm fed up of choosing " WHO" to save in my group instead of nice Group Buffs and heals , this needs to be fixed and soon. 

 but its really pissing me off getting shouted at by people that want to be healed and I cant heal all of them to give everyone a fighting chance.

Also whats the benifit of Healing too do we actually get any XP for the amount of Lame healing that we can do at the moment  ??

sorry  Rant Over but I just want to be a good healer and I cant  

group heals hmmm destruction only has chain heal which sucks as far as im aware, play a warrior priest and cast Hots anre your allys... If you want to top out the healing charts you need to just HoT people in combat while spaming crappy heals till they die lol( im a zealot so healing is all i can do...))