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You know this is last months news?

This month, we're discussing Warhammer

Originally posted by darwa

You know this is last months news?

This month, we're discussing Warhammer

Played warhammer, everything was great until I figured out there is no one doing scenarios or rvr.

uninstalled, back to wow.

That better?

Dont be ashamed that you watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer... she was kind of cute... and Vampires are prety cool... but after awhile it just gets lame, OH WELL.

I remember watchin Pokemon every morning thinking it was the shit...

boy was i a nit wit.

Still... Pokemon mmorpg... would be kind of.... FUN!

Still looking for that Monster Rancher mmo...

but... YAY FIREFLY!!

Originally posted by theratmonkey

Originally posted by darwa

You know this is last months news?

This month, we're discussing Warhammer

 

Played warhammer, everything was great until I figured out there is no one doing scenarios or rvr.

 

uninstalled, back to wow.

 

That better?

 

I'm not sure why you took that tone with me, but there was no need to.

I assume you didn't realise that the smiley face meant that I was poking fun at all the people with nothing to say about WAR that doesn't stop them from doing so.

Maybe you completely overlooked my first sentence, where I subtly inferred that this is old news. Over one month old, in fact. Perhaps this is the first time you heard is and feel angry.

Whatever the reasoning or your understanding, there was no need to take such a brash attitude. Keep that in wow

The thing that makes Buffy a bad MMO is what makes Firefly a good MMO (as a gameworld).

Buffy is special.  She is the chosen one.  She alone can stand against the forces of darkness. 

Yes, it's camp and over the top and goofy and also very interesting and a hell of a lot deeper than it comes off.  Its depth is all given to it by the actors. 

Also having the first gender defined class in an MMO that I can think of offhand (besides those races that had essentially no Gender, or only one) is a land mine of epic proportions.  Not.  Good. 

Firefly is the exact opposite.  Who is Malcolm Reynolds?  A Sergeant.  In a war that was lost.  Wars have a lot of Sergeants.  Jayne?  A two-bit criminal who held people up for a living?  Inara?  A consort (uncommon, but hardly unique).  Kaylee?  A girl with a gift for engines. 

Only River and Simon fell into the 'Buffy' model, and they were hardly main characters in many of the shows.  And even Simon isn't that special (smart inner worlds boy who ran away from there).  One character.  Who barely shows up in many of the episodes.

What made the world special was what they did - not who they were.  PERFECT for an MMO.  Your actions define your character - not your 'birth.'   You aren't special, you aren't the chosen one. 

Originally posted by Sharajat

The thing that makes Buffy a bad MMO is what makes Firefly a good MMO (as a gameworld).

 

Buffy is special.  She is the chosen one.  She alone can stand against the forces of darkness. 

Yes, it's camp and over the top and goofy and also very interesting and a hell of a lot deeper than it comes off.  Its depth is all given to it by the actors. 

Also having the first gender defined class in an MMO that I can think of offhand (besides those races that had essentially no Gender, or only one) is a land mine of epic proportions.  Not.  Good. 

 

Firefly is the exact opposite.  Who is Malcolm Reynolds?  A Sergeant.  In a war that was lost.  Wars have a lot of Sergeants.  Jayne?  A two-bit criminal who held people up for a living?  Inara?  A consort (uncommon, but hardly unique).  Kaylee?  A girl with a gift for engines. 

Only River and Simon fell into the 'Buffy' model, and they were hardly main characters in many of the shows.  And even Simon isn't that special (smart inner worlds boy who ran away from there).  One character.  Who barely shows up in many of the episodes.

What made the world special was what they did - not who they were.  PERFECT for an MMO.  Your actions define your character - not your 'birth.'   You aren't special, you aren't the chosen one. 

Bingo, you said what many of us were thinking.  Of course, they will waste millions making this game and end up wondering what they did wrong at the end.
 

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Regardless of your points you have not convinced me. You are thinking of it as purely an mmo and I am saying that the people who will be salivating at the mouth for these games are doing so because of what I believe these people are going to want.

I'll wait for real proof of whether or not I'm proven wrong, not your opinion.

my last and only piece of evidence to show your wrong is SWG. PRE-CU was a success, and the game was based in the star wars galaxy. After the NGE where you could fight along side all your favorite SW characters and pick one of the proffesions the characters had .... the game failed ....

game set in movie/show world = success

game trying to put you into the movie = failure.

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Regardless of your points you have not convinced me. You are thinking of it as purely an mmo and I am saying that the people who will be salivating at the mouth for these games are doing so because of what I believe these people are going to want.

I'll wait for real proof of whether or not I'm proven wrong, not your opinion.

 

my last and only piece of evidence to show your wrong is SWG. PRE-CU was a success, and the game was based in the star wars galaxy. After the NGE where you could fight along side all your favorite SW characters and pick one of the proffesions the characters had .... the game failed ....

game set in movie/show world = success

game trying to put you into the movie = failure.

That's specious reasoning. You make the assumption that it was the setting that made it fail and not the change from one setting to another.

What proof do you offer that if the star wars game originally released as it was after nge that it would have failed?

I think disenfranchising its playerbase had something to do with that.

Again, I think I'll wait to see if Firefly mmo is a success as I'm still convinced that there is not enough there other than a great show based upon interesting characters and great dialogue.

With a Firefly they could do literally anything they wanted to because that was a largely unexplored universe; the main rule was that everything was different everywhere.  The show centered around the one ship and they didn't really get into much more until the movie but even that didn't nail too much down.  You could write a Star Wars game, remove Jedi and change the place names and call it a Firefly game and it would work (not that I recommend that).  You wouldn't capture the heart of the show but you can't really do that in any MMO based on any movie/show anyways.  Just make some parts familiar and don't let it suck and we'll be g2g.

With the Buffy/Angel universe they could also do a lot: modern times but -with- monsters and magic.  It's a comic book without the costumes.  It can easily be dark and more "serious", like Underworld or Blade or wildly epic like Hellboy.  There's alternate dimensions to visit, empires to raid, dungeons, gods, demons, artifacts, magic, modern military, dragons and other huge monsters that they didn't usually show because of budgets...  'Evil' and 'good' could probably be played.  And look at WoW - that's as insanely, unabashedly campy/silly as you can get and that one's doing ok.  Some of you need to work on your imaginations.

I couldn't care less about single player PC games these days...