General Discussion

Originally posted by Cabe2323

I voted for amendment 2 here in Florida for one simple reason:

Making Gay "Marriage" a legal enforceable thing in a State opens up lawsuits against Churches who do not want to perform such marriages. 

Marriage in and of itself is a Religious issue.  Civil Unions are a legal issue. 

I honestly don't understand why Civil Unions aren't made Legal and they just leave marriage the way it is. 

How would this make it possible to sue churches who don't perform these marriages?  There are churches now who won't perform marriages for people unless they go through an educational course on marriage first.  A lot of Catholic churches do that.  But no one has sued them yet.
 

Cabe, do you really believe that would happen?  We're just trying to get equal representation under the law.  We're not out trying to change the way people worship.  Don't be so afraid of equal rights.

Originally posted by Cabe2323

I voted for amendment 2 here in Florida for one simple reason:

Making Gay "Marriage" a legal enforceable thing in a State opens up lawsuits against Churches who do not want to perform such marriages. 

Marriage in and of itself is a Religious issue.  Civil Unions are a legal issue. 

I honestly don't understand why Civil Unions aren't made Legal and they just leave marriage the way it is. 

Well first of all Marriage is not a religious issue. It has never been proven that marriage started with religion and the origins of marriage go back way to long to trace it.

Here is something i'd like to know: Are churches allowed to reject to perform a marriage based on race?

Originally posted by konrad16660

Originally posted by Dracus

Negative.

I'll be more clear this time.
The Californian State Constitution if amended by Prop 8 cannot be changed by the Californian Court System because the Californian State Constitution has been changed to the desired effect of the People of California.  The Californian Court System cannot rule the Amendment as Unconstitutional since the Californian Court System must abide by what the Californian State Constitution states as amended.

In order for the amended Califoria State Constitution to be changed requires for a new California State Proposition to re-amend (to strike out) the California State Constitution or for the Federal Supreme Court to make a ruling to the effect of the Federal Government has the authority to over-rule State Constitutions, or defined specifically for this matter.

Hehe so you are a conservative that believes in Federal powers over-ruling state powers?  Um....check conservative again.  I think you might want to re-work your profile and whatnot because you seem confused.  Sheesh, and now I sit here feeling like so much more of a conservative than you now.  Weee!
 

Point out to me, where I stated, to the effect of "believe" or "support"  such a Federal Action.

Since I keep hearing that this requires a redefinition of marriage under the Constitution, can someone please post or link the part of the U.S. Constitution that defines marriage? And since this thread is specific to California, could someone please post or link the part of the California Constitution defines marriage also?

Thatdbegroovyswellthanxbye.

Originally posted by upallnight

How would this make it possible to sue churches who don't perform these marriages?  There are churches now who won't perform marriages for people unless they go through an educational course on marriage first.  A lot of Catholic churches do that.  But no one has sued them yet.

Already going on.

Harriet Bernstein and Luisa Paster filed a complaint against the United Methodist Church in New Jersey for not allowing a lesbian marriage to take place at the church's pavilion.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91486340
 

Originally posted by Gameloading 

Well first of all Marriage is not a religious issue. It has never been proven that marriage started with religion and the origins of marriage go back way to long to trace it.

Here is something i'd like to know: Are churches allowed to reject to perform a marriage based on race?

To you, Marriage is not a religious issue, for others it is.

As for denying races, yes, it depends on which religion, culture and nation.

Originally posted by Dracus

Originally posted by Gameloading 

Well first of all Marriage is not a religious issue. It has never been proven that marriage started with religion and the origins of marriage go back way to long to trace it.

Here is something i'd like to know: Are churches allowed to reject to perform a marriage based on race?

To you, Marriage is not a religious issue, for others it is.

As for denying races, yes, it depends on which religion, culture and nation.

It's silly to just take the definition of marriage of the majority of the people and enforce it on people who may not agree with that definiton.

As for denying races, we're talking about california here so I'd like to know if churches are allowed to reject to perform a marriage based on race?

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

Since I keep hearing that this requires a redefinition of marriage under the Constitution, can someone please post or link the part of the U.S. Constitution that defines marriage? And since this thread is specific to California, could someone please post or link the part of the California Constitution defines marriage also?

Thatdbegroovyswellthanxbye.

California Constitution:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/const.html

Article 1 Declaration of Rights:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.const/.article_1
Scroll Down to Section 7.

New Amendment of Prop 8 to add in Section 7.5 to read:
SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.
http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/11/04/ca/state/prop/8/