General Discussion

Things are looking better for this game. I'm looking forward to the Hoth content just to sample it with my free month. The improved crafting sounds good with more reliance on player crafted goods. And lastly the character tranfers(Improved) for free from the low to high pop servers will be a good thing. So we'll see if SOE can't revive this game.

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forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m

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http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=774659

One thing that the article really glosses over is the lack of population.

Yes, it is REALLY that low.

People aren't in Coronet, pleople aren't in Theed, but people aren't in Mos Eisley either, on most servers. People just aren't anywhere, period.

Last night, during US primetime, there were enough people to run exaclty ONE group of people doing heroics. That being eight people. And that was it, on a weekend day, during prime evening hours.

This is not happening on one or two servers, it is the one or two servers that have a "reasonable" population that are the exception.

Also not mentioned in the article, is that SOE refuses to have the devs spend time on fixing bugs. They won't. They simply say that in the time it would take to fix several long time and in some cases play breaking bugs, they can put out more "new" content. What does that say about SOEs long term plans?

The Hoth release and the just released TCG are a last attempt by SOE to grab a few more bucks.

Take the vet trial, see what's there, but don't bothering paying. Not worth it.

Originally posted by bakkhai42

The game is tight, well programmed.  Not as free as it used to be now that you're funneled into a profession - but they allow customization in the details of the profession.  I used to like being able to train anything at all, but most people made templates the same anyway.

 

I agree with whoever said vets are returning - they are.  Really old vets too.   They prob burnt out of WoW and a few others and are looking up that old flame.  It doesn't feel as full as it used too (by far on some servers)

I don't get the SOE haters.  Even toddlers cry less about their toys. 

 

LOL... Good one.

Originally posted by rjp14

Things are looking better for this game. I'm looking forward to the Hoth content just to sample it with my free month. The improved crafting sounds good with more reliance on player crafted goods. And lastly the character tranfers(Improved) for free from the low to high pop servers will be a good thing. So we'll see if SOE can't revive this game.

See

forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m

 

or copy and paste the link.

 

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=774659

This game is not going to be 'Saved' The writing on the tombstone is there. SW:TOR is going to put the final nails in the coffin. SOE is just doing what Lucas is telling them to do. Ride it out until TOR is done and then pull the plug. What choice do they have. They have contractual obligations. Once TOR comes out SWG is done and over with.

As for the so called healthy population of this game? Well again that will change once TOR is out. People are only playing this game and biding time until Bioware is done.

Discount my thoughts if you want as you may call me a Jaded Vet. I have tried over and over again to get back into this game but each time I just could not justify it. I will wait out the time it will take for Bioware to finish and welcome The Old Republic. It won't be SWG but thats fine with me. I am done with SWG.

Originally posted by Edmonde

Originally posted by rjp14

Things are looking better for this game. I'm looking forward to the Hoth content just to sample it with my free month. The improved crafting sounds good with more reliance on player crafted goods. And lastly the character tranfers(Improved) for free from the low to high pop servers will be a good thing. So we'll see if SOE can't revive this game.

See

forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m

 

or copy and paste the link.

 

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=774659

 

This game is not going to be 'Saved' The writing on the tombstone is there. SW:TOR is going to put the final nails in the coffin. SOE is just doing what Lucas is telling them to do. Ride it out until TOR is done and then pull the plug. What choice do they have. They have contractual obligations. Once TOR comes out SWG is done and over with.

As for the so called healthy population of this game? Well again that will change once TOR is out. People are only playing this game and biding time until Bioware is done.

Discount my thoughts if you want as you may call me a Jaded Vet. I have tried over and over again to get back into this game but each time I just could not justify it. I will wait out the time it will take for Bioware to finish and welcome The Old Republic. It won't be SWG but thats fine with me. I am done with SWG.

Don't respond to the viral marketers.

Originally posted by Burntvet

One thing that the article really glosses over is the lack of population.

Yes, it is REALLY that low.

People aren't in Coronet, pleople aren't in Theed, but people aren't in Mos Eisley either, on most servers. People just aren't anywhere, period.

Last night, during US primetime, there were enough people to run exaclty ONE group of people doing heroics. That being eight people. And that was it, on a weekend day, during prime evening hours.

This is not happening on one or two servers, it is the one or two servers that have a "reasonable" population that are the exception.

Also not mentioned in the article, is that SOE refuses to have the devs spend time on fixing bugs. They won't. They simply say that in the time it would take to fix several long time and in some cases play breaking bugs, they can put out more "new" content. What does that say about SOEs long term plans?

 

The Hoth release and the just released TCG are a last attempt by SOE to grab a few more bucks.

Take the vet trial, see what's there, but don't bothering paying. Not worth it.

You're right i didnt  mention population - I play two servers which happen to be well populated. The players base is consolidating themselves and will furhter consolidate in 09 when they offer the free transfers. I can always find pvp and can always find a heroic instance group if needed. Its unfortunate that vets log on and find dead servers. 

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by JestorRodo

  Thanks Dal.

    As far as me going out of line Big time is truly debatable to the point that I can say that the decision has unjustly applied. In case you don't know of the roleplaying gems that got me banned , please read my blog here or on MySpace.

 I have more right to take my position about SOE and SWG then you could ever have a postion against me for doing so as Dal has already explained.

I plan to be just as criticial of SOE as they were of me - all things being equal.

 

 

 

I don't care who is right and who is wrong.

What I do care about is that I am getting fed up that litterly EVERY article or post about ANY of SOE games is constantly being hijacked and bashed by old SWG vets!

It's getting old and it's getting sad! As how long since the NGE hit the SWG live servers? Over 4 years ago already?

I am a SWG vet myself! I hate SOE just as much for what they have done to maybe the best sandbox MMORPG ever!

But you know what? After about a year after the NGE and actually enjoying EverQuest2 I gave up on hating and moved on.

I played so many MMO's since then... and I have seen so many MMO's with potential failing misserably and going down the drain! Hurting the MMO industry more then SOE ever did with the NGE...

... that I come to think that SOE isn't all that bad afterall. Even tho they royally fucked up with the NGE update on SWG!

Cheers

And I don't care who you are either. This thread is about SWG. It is about "returning" vets. This isn't an article about another SOE game, this article is about SWG and is about Vets (which means Pre-NGE to most), so it implies a respose from the above.

And your first response to one of them was to suggest that they are mentally unstable and should seek help.

Sorry, you lost me there. I could not care less what your role was in the entire mess. This is not crashing any other game minus SWG.

Originally posted by Inat_mivea

Whoa buddy !

Lots of comments but not many on target. Contrary to what some may think, vets ARE returning, even without the "free" incentive. I've been around long enough to have a rather huge friends list;  All the guys I knew before often ping me and ask for assistance getting back into the 'groove'. There is so much to re-learn that even this article is just the tip of the iceberg. But, that's a good thing, right? More content is what we always wanted.

Its not the SWG you knew and frankly, its not the SOE you knew. Relatively speaking, they've been good about listening to the playerbase. . . just look at the new tweaks to BH and Medic currently on deck.

Anyway, for those that do choose to revisit SWG, I hope this article gets you started and oriented in the right direction. Oh, one thing I forgot to mention in that article is that there ARE dead servers - many have already transferred to the larger servers such as Starsider, Bria, Bloodfin, Chilastra, etc. Early 09 brings free server transfers . . .

 

The article states that the need for centers of interest are no longer viable, which is completely wrong since I played a ME just four months ago. There is a serious demand for Ent Buffs on top of the other three lines you need to fill to be viable.

Playing this ENT. On Chimeara (which still (did) has a decent pop), I encountered nothing near the lines I used to see (I am EST time) in Coronet for my former Doc buffs. Even WITH the new player search functions, I saw perhaps 1/5 the random tell for a buff I used to see. Of course, this is assuming you think Entertainer buffs are currently worth while. IMHO, they currently are the longest lasting, most configurable, easiest to obtain, and blatantly useful buffs in the game.

So, BH and Medic are being revisited, AGAIN. This is what? The third time for each since the NGE? How much work is going to be nerfed by SOE for current BH and Medics. How many people are going to flock to the professions as a result, and how many more times will the other professions be revisited as a result?

They may be doing "better" than the initial NGE. I mean, how couldn't they? What the "returning vets" may not realize is that the NGE was only the beginning of several mini-nge's to follow. They have built up, Jedi, Bounty Hunters, Medics, Commandos, Officers, Spies...only to turn right around with a "revamp" to nerf them, their equiptment, and moreover their TIME over and over again.

The player economy is out of control, it is currently at a status of Lineage 2 proportions. I used to be able to buy a suit of PvP worthy armor of 300K. And I wore it ONLY for PvP.

Conclusion: Here is my guide for returning vets: 50 Million credits for a decent set of PvP armor, which SOE will alter the system to make it useless in 2 months. When you left, you still remembered the day when you were proud as hell to make your first million. If you go back, and actually spend the time to rein