WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by Lukeion

WoW has 12 Million subs, WAR has like 10k subs

 

Number speaks for themselves really.

 

 

 

Yes. Especially when you make the numbers up.

Show me the 12 million sub link for WoW and especially show me the 10k (omglmao) link for WAR.

He's off by one million for WOW, relatively speaking that's hardly a relevant point here :p WAR's though, probabl 300-500k somewhere thereabouts.

For me WoW was just alot better when you could actually see the players that made a real effort and commitment in the game by the gear they wore in major cities.

TBC gave gear to anyone that could field a 2v2 arena team.

Heroics that gave gear comparable to tier 5 and 6 with only a month or so of farming.

You can't even tell who puts the time in to WoW anymore.

Players are rewarded for sucking in WoW now.

Back before TBC if you blew at pvp you didn't hit rank 14 and if you sucked at raiding you were stuck in MC and the first two bosses in BWL forever while the good players had AQ and Naxx gear on.

You stood out if you were a good player that actually put the time into the game.

Now everyone will kill arthus in a 10 man raid and walk around in gear only 1 tier level lower than the elite players.... wtf is that all about. I'm glad I quit a while ago.

Imo if you suck you should be in blues and BOE AH epics while the players that invest more time and skill sit in Gear 3-4 tiers above grandma and little timmy.

WoW was fun Pre TBC now its just terribly lame... for me anyway.

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Originally posted by strategy

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Originally posted by fuzzylojik

I'm still having more fun in WAR PvP than I ever did in WOW simply because of the large scale fights and keep sieges.  I don't think 1 PvP zone is really going to save WoW PvP and people will just keep playing the same old battlegrounds.

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Have you even tried WotLK's Lake Wintergrasp or the new Strand ? The first time I entered the fortress of LW I was speechless. These are pure wargames m8. Pure wargames.
The castle and multiple walls of Lake Wintergrasp alone are as big as the complete Warsong Gulch battlefield. Multiple walls. Multiple gates. Unbelievable. That zone is h u g e .
And these walls and gates fall. The infantry is running behind the tanks. The artillery shreds you to pieces. First experience this and then come back with your personal comments please. Because I 've never seen anything like it in an MMORPG. Large scale and keep sieges? I don't think you can even compare it.
It's no RvR !!!, but as PvP, the new zones/BG in WotLK are really unmatched. So unless you're a Wow hater, I would certainly give it a try... these are not the usual capture the flag things... far from.

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Originally posted by metalhead980

For me WoW was just alot better when you could actually see the players that made a real effort and commitment in the game by the gear they wore in major cities.

TBC gave gear to anyone that could field a 2v2 arena team.

Heroics that gave gear comparable to tier 5 and 6 with only a month or so of farming.

You can't even tell who puts the time in to WoW anymore.

Players are rewarded for sucking in WoW now.

Back before TBC if you blew at pvp you didn't hit rank 14 and if you sucked at raiding you were stuck in MC and the first two bosses in BWL forever while the good players had AQ and Naxx gear on.

You stood out if you were a good player that actually put the time into the game.

Now everyone will kill arthus in a 10 man raid and walk around in gear only 1 tier level lower than the elite players.... wtf is that all about. I'm glad I quit a while ago.

Imo if you suck you should be in blues and BOE AH epics while the players that invest more time and skill sit in Gear 3-4 tiers above grandma and little timmy.

WoW was fun Pre TBC now its just terribly lame... for me anyway.

 

But yet there numbers continue to rise, Blizz knows what there doing and they know who pays the bills.

They had to make the carrot a little easier to get, Im not saying I totally agree but as someone who only can play about 8 hours a week its nice to know that maybe some day I will be able to fight the final boss.

As for PVP though, that is a headache, I hope that Lake Wintergrasp is fun. :)

Originally posted by Gios30

But yet there numbers continue to rise, Blizz knows what there doing and they know who pays the bills.

They had to make the carrot a little easier to get, Im not saying I totally agree but as someone who only can play about 8 hours a week its nice to know that maybe some day I will be able to fight the final boss.

As for PVP though, that is a headache, I hope that Lake Wintergrasp is fun. :)

No problem m8. I ve been there the last 3 nights and you'll stand in awe.

Don't forget Strand either. Both are great additions. Those who don't believe they added good PvP, no problem. Stay with War. I know where the action is.

Originally posted by Greyhooff

Let's face it, ALL pve and raid WOTLK content was beaten by the best guild 2 days after release, and most of the top 50-100 guilds have now cleared all of it also. It will take 1 more week for most of the good raiding guilds to complete all of it - including malygos, full naxx 25 etc

Then everyone and their granny who has never played a computer game will be able to kill Kelthuzad and Malygos. Sad but true, WoW is just dumb now.

WoW has been dumbed down so that anyone with a keyboard can complete it and get their epics. It's boring to know everyone has full epics and there's no variety, no sense of achievement.

There's simply no point to WoW any more. It's not fun, and it's too easy. It's pointless.

 

WAR may not be as polished, but it is more fun. I play with a good top-end guild, we are killing bosses in Lost Vale that are harder than any boss in WOTLK (order doesn't have repel)

And the mass PVP with zone control throughout the actual game map (rather than some instances lake BG aka AV2) is more fun than crappy arena duels and the same BGs again and again.

I see a lot of people who have now completed WoW/WOTLK looking around saying "is that all there is?"

I'm happy playing WAR :)

Even if WotLK truly has very little content it doesn't bother me. Considering I have a life and other things to do with my time, I only have very limited time to play.  So all this means to me is that I just might be able to see the end game and get some nice epics before another expac comes out, (or before i die. whichever comes first).  And the big thing you need to think about is, even though it is short is it still fun to play through? Blizzard went ahead and made 2 different start zones this time around, so once you finish one story/quest line with one character, you can do the other with another character.  I played WAR for a while but I'm not going to state the problems I found with the game here specifically.  But in a general sense I just felt disconnected with my character and nothing seemed fluid/smooth enough to get me into the action.

Originally posted by Gios30

Originally posted by metalhead980
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But yet there numbers continue to rise, Blizz knows what there doing and they know who pays the bills.  Why do you guys always have to bring up Sub numbers whenever someone feels that WoW was better back in the day? For me those subs didn't mean anything, I never played with 10 million players on a server and that money blizzard makes certainly isn't going into WoW.

The fact that people feel like thier in game accomplishments are for nothing and considering WoW is a skill based game thats crazy.

They had to make the carrot a little easier to get, Im not saying I totally agree but as someone who only can play about 8 hours a week its nice to know that maybe some day I will be able to fight the final boss.

Why should you get to see the very last boss with only eight hours a week investent into a MMO? Because you pay 14.95 like the rest of us? Let me ask you did you get to kill the last boss in ZA with that play schedule? or KT in the Eye? if not what makes you think you can in WotLK?

As for PVP though, that is a headache, I hope that Lake Wintergrasp is fun. :)

Ehh... im just happy that blizzard got off thier asses and is actually giving world pvp some love.

Edit: I'm not trying to knock your play schedule I have children adn a full time job of my own, so I know how tough it could be to log into WoW on a normal basis. But should the entire hardcore WoW community suffer to make every boss accessible to the casual gamer? Blizzard has taken everything that made WoW fun for us and made it not worth shit. They may have 11 million subs but imo if they actually left in some hardcore content they would have close to 16 million atm.

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by Gios30

Originally posted by metalhead980
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But yet there numbers continue to rise, Blizz knows what there doing and they know who pays the bills.  Why do you guys always have to bring up Sub numbers whenever someone feels that WoW was better back in the day? For me those subs didn't mean anything, I never played with 10 million players on a server and that money blizzard makes certainly isn't going into WoW.

The fact that people feel like thier in game accomplishments are for nothing and considering WoW is a skill based game thats crazy.

They had to make the carrot a little easier to get, Im not saying I totally agree but as someone who only can play about 8 hours a week its nice to know that maybe some day I will be able to fight the final boss.

Why should you get to see the very last boss with only eight hours a week investent into a MMO? Because you pay 14.95 like the rest of us? Let me ask you did you get to kill the last boss in ZA with that play schedule? or KT in the Eye? if not what makes you think you can in WotLK?

As for PVP though, that is a headache, I hope that Lake Wintergrasp is fun. :)

Ehh... im just happy that blizzard got off thier asses and is actually giving world pvp some love.