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Originally posted by Ravanos

does something really have to spell it out for you ... serioulsy are you like one of those types that would sue Mcdonalds because it didnt have "Warning HOT" on the side and you dumped it on yourself.

sorry i guess i just see mulitplayer and i see playing together not Player alone with other people sharing the same area as me.

its like saying Solitaire is a Multiplayer game because everyones playing at the same table.

Sorry i guess i just see mulitplayer and i see playing together not Player alone with other people sharing the same area as me.

- Why what's wrong with this, as a soloist I'm quite often sharing area's and quest's with other soloist and groups, sometimes I assist them and sometimes they assist me, sometimes I get to know the groups and even join in with them and continue to adventure with them, sometimes it's all I can do,( besides logging out ) to get away from some groups,( the one's who think it's there duty to teach me a lesson for not waiting to group first in a town, before I start adventuring, instead of just going out by myself,(solo)) tell me who are these players who think they have the right to tell me how to play the game I've payed for, my $xx per month is just as valuable as there $xx per month, my game time is just as important to me as theirs is to them, and I got just as much right to play the game my way.

- just for the record I'm also a player who prefers to not to rush to the endgame, just so I can claim I'm a high level dude, for me it's about the adventures and other players I meet on the way,(good & bad) to the endgame that makes a game for me, I also don't like power levellers,( that also includes the ones who do it as a payed service) it's the same as rushing thru a game to me.

-Why do soloist prefer mmorpg's to single player rpg's?

For me it's because singleplayer games are static, they rarely change, if at all, mmorpg's,( at least good ones!) change and update and add new content on a regular basis, ( e.g.; DDO is completely different from when I first started playing it, even now the beginners area has been changed, far as I know Doom 3 still starts the same way, so dose F.E.A.R. even with there expansions, it's still the same singleplayer game it was a xx years ago when ever they were released) mmorpg's offer so much more for the singleplayer / soloist point of view than a singleplayer game, not mention, there cheaper to free and you can always team up with someone else, if you get bored of playing by yourself.
 

I've seen lots of posts/threads written by the OP. Without exception, they've ALL been walls of whine. I wonder if he ever had one happy day as a mmorpg player.

Originally posted by Ravanos

Originally posted by redcap036

Originally posted by Ravanos

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Yea I like to solo in mmorpg also. It's like playing a sp game but with constant updates. Sometimes it's hard because of the other non-rp players are spaming stuff but usually the rp servers are pretty good about rping. I hope forced grouping isn't the thing of the future.

 

Dont' worry. Future MMORPGs probably won't even bother to include a group feature.

 

I think some people have the wrong ideas about mmo. Someone once said to me, "Why would you solo in an mmo, they're online for a reason, so you can game with ppl, it's not really meant for solo." While this might be true I still think mmo's should be more of a single player game with the option to group. Call me anti-social or whatever, but I talk/interact with people all day, sometimes I just want to go home and game by myself.

 

and there are so many other god damn genres out there for you to do that in ... why the hell do you have to come and dumb down a genre BASED around ONLINE MULTIPLAYER action!

im sorry but this pisses me off ... you play a game that has MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER in the title and say you want to play by yourself. thats like playing FPS and then saying "well golly i wish I could just play a crafter i dont like shooting things"

 

Good point, but where in the phrase," massive multiplayer online" dose it say ,"must group" or ,"have to group"?

massive multiplayer online, means lots of players online, it's not a directive that orders you to group with others. 
 

 

Really where does it say anything about what we do in MMORPG if you want to take it literally.

Leveling ... i dont see that
Fighting ... nothing in there about that
getting gear ... nope
Soloing ... nothing
Questing ... nada
PVPing ... i dont see it
Characters ... dont even see a need for avatars
and I am sure many many more

So lets get rid of leveling, fighting, crafting, gear gathering, soloing, grouping (like you said), questing, PVPing  and Avatars ... lets get rid of everything thats implied.

maybe we should all just sit in a giant chat room with a huge amount of users speaking in old english ... since that would be the TRUE meaning of MMORPG with nothing implied.

Leveling ... i dont see that
Fighting ... nothing in there about that
getting gear ... nope
Soloing ... nothing
Questing ... nada
PVPing ... i dont see it
Characters ... dont even see a need for avatars

I would say they would come under the RPG part of mmorpg as in mmoRPG, or have you never picked up a role-play game rule book in your life and actually read it or even just browsed thru it,( I don't mean the game manual, I mean a real Role Playing Game rule book) let me guess your one of these groupers who think that mmorpg means an online team sport game, that conveniently just leaves out the bit that makes it look like a sport game, maybe it's the grouper's who need to change there game, how about EA's Madden's football game or something like that?

Also one of my favorite reasons to solo is to try and do the same quest as a group, but by myself, sure I might die alot, but least I know I tried it by myself and didn't need anyone to hold my hand and every now and then I suceed and complete the quest by myself, as a soloist I don't want any game tobe made easier for me to solo, if anything I want the game to be made harder and more chalanging, with lot's more options and ways to complete a quest.

 

 

If I wanted to seriously play together with a group of friends online as a team, there are so many better choices out there than in MMORPGs.  Sports games, peer-to-peer RTS and FPS, racing games, adventure games like Grand Theft Auto, the list goes on and on.  These formats actually do the multiplayer team thing better than the "massive" format.

The only place I can do situational improvisational roleplay is in this genre: the MMORPG.  Unlike teamwork games, I and Elikal it seems view these games as an individual journey, played collectively.  Part of that experience is encountering others, but not the entire experience.  That's a lot different than the type of things we do in sports games, racing games, and peer-to-peer RTS and FPS.

So to all those who keep on  telling us individualists to go play single player games, I'm just going to throw that one right back and suggest that all these people who like to group and stat mash should go play peer-to-peer FPS, RTS, sports games, and racing games and leave MMORPGs alone.  I mean, you all really don't respect the spirit of what we do in MMOs: play characters, developing personal backgrounds, and maintaining the suspension of disbelief to create a fine environment for personal expression.  Given that there's much better options to get the type of gameplay you want, why force the genre to look like a poor excuse for peer-to-peer?

Originally posted by Beatnik59

If I wanted to seriously play together with a group of friends online as a team, there are so many better choices out there than in MMORPGs.  Sports games, peer-to-peer RTS and FPS, racing games, adventure games like Grand Theft Auto, the list goes on and on.  These formats actually do the multiplayer team thing better than the "massive" format.

The only place I can do situational improvisational roleplay is in this genre: the MMORPG.  Unlike teamwork games, I and Elikal it seems view these games as an individual journey, played collectively.  Part of that experience is encountering others, but not the entire experience.  That's a lot different than the type of things we do in sports games, racing games, and peer-to-peer RTS and FPS.

So to all those who keep on  telling us individualists to go play single player games, I'm just going to throw that one right back and suggest that all these people who like to group and stat mash should go play peer-to-peer FPS, RTS, sports games, and racing games and leave MMORPGs alone.  I mean, you all really don't respect the spirit of what we do in MMOs: play characters, developing personal backgrounds, and maintaining the suspension of disbelief to create a fine environment for personal expression.  Given that there's much better options to get the type of gameplay you want, why force the genre to look like a poor excuse for peer-to-peer?

Well said, totally agree!

Originally posted by Beatnik59

If I wanted to seriously play together with a group of friends online as a team, there are so many better choices out there than in MMORPGs.  Sports games, peer-to-peer RTS and FPS, racing games, adventure games like Grand Theft Auto, the list goes on and on.  These formats actually do the multiplayer team thing better than the "massive" format.

The only place I can do situational improvisational roleplay is in this genre: the MMORPG.  Unlike teamwork games, I and Elikal it seems view these games as an individual journey, played collectively.  Part of that experience is encountering others, but not the entire experience.  That's a lot different than the type of things we do in sports games, racing games, and peer-to-peer RTS and FPS.

So to all those who keep on  telling us individualists to go play single player games, I'm just going to throw that one right back and suggest that all these people who like to group and stat mash should go play peer-to-peer FPS, RTS, sports games, and racing games and leave MMORPGs alone.  I mean, you all really don't respect the spirit of what we do in MMOs: play characters, developing personal backgrounds, and maintaining the suspension of disbelief to create a fine environment for personal expression.  Given that there's much better options to get the type of gameplay you want, why force the genre to look like a poor excuse for peer-to-peer?

Agree, and I must say it's NOT the games fault for this but pure like I have been saying mostly the community fault, people new to MMORPG or people who simply lack any form of patients that in my opinion have ruined this genre into what we have today.

I feel the same way you do, when I am in the mood for some tactical group-based games I often hit the key of one of the better Multi player games, like YOU I felt MMORPG where the Ultimate RPG games, where a single player RPG was all about being that HERO in the world, in a MMORPG I don't want to be that hero but want to be just that person doing his thing in that sci-fi or fantasy based world.

Yes I do want a virtual world as we have tons and tons of singleplayer/multiplayer games that do not offer this, though I must say many single player games are starting to feel even more alive then some MMO these day's seem to feel to me at least except having a community run into a single player game, the world feel of some single player games is larger then what I personally encounter in a MMORPG.

If I want to feel a rush in a game I play FPS multiplayer games, a MMORPG however is set for a complete different playstyle. I also often believe those who rush in a MMORPG lack RPG experience or simple lack as I said before patients, also jealousy seems to be a nasty thing in this genre, as many people seem to play a MMO as if it's a job, you see a MMORPG is NOT about endgame, a MMORPG does not have grind, it's a persons playstyle that is deluding him or her into thinking it's all about cap lvl and not anymore about the journey, then you have the very sad excuse people who for some reason think they either need to play a game 24/7 or are afraid someone else might outlvl them and some people for some unexplained reason can not stand if other get ahead.

Myself a slow leveler, mainly due to the limited time I have to play but also because I see no need to get to a end lvl of a MMORPG, end lvl should not be a focus at all in a MMORPG, keep that attitude to wards single player games, shame many are not able to adept but will continue to dump down this genre into less then what it should have been, also a shame that the more MMORPG player is these day's in the minority.

Originally posted by redcap036

 

Leveling ... i dont see that
Fighting ... nothing in there about that
getting gear ... nope
Soloing ... nothing
Questing ... nada
PVPing ... i dont see it
Characters ... dont even see a need for avatars

I would say they would come under the RPG part of mmorpg as in mmoRPG,

you would say? thus imply? but isn't that the same thing as implying that Multiplayer means playing together as a group?

Roleplaying doesn't state any of the above ... its literally playing a role ... and has nothing to do with any of the above. So by literal sense we can remove all that from any RPG or MMORPG.

seems a bit hypocritical to me.