Tabula Rasa

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by lkavadas

That statement is pretty disengenuous.  Level 30 is when you unlock your top tier skill class but actually choosing and enhancing the effectiveness (what TR players refer to as "pumping") of your skills continues all of the way to 50.

You make it sound like at 30 you're character's skill template is complete, done, and finished and you just spend the next twenty levels doing nothing but increasing attributes.

And as far as class systems go I thought TR's was really, really well done.  There just weren't enough skills/classes.  But in all reality TR's quasi-skill/class system was much more dynamic than the traditional class structures used in pedestrian MMOs (not that TR isn't pedestrian but there were a few things it did very well IMO).

I'm currently playing CoX and once you select your secondary and primary powersets that's it.  Thems your skills aside from a few you might choose out of the "general" power pools that are available to every toon.  But it's not like once I hit level X I all of the sudden have five brand new skills waiting for me.  It's still the same pool of skills I was looking at when I created the toon.

Did not mean to come across that way at all. But at level 30 you get you last skills. Can they be enhanced the rest of the way? Yes they can. Does that make them so different you feel like 30-50 was worthwhile? Not in my opinion.
 

 

Just out of curiousity....Rokurgepta...when was the last time you played this game and what are you playing now and why aren't you participating in that community?

Just kinda wondering what your motivation is for hanging around repeating the fact you don't like the game...even though you apparently played it quit a bit.

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by lkavadas

That statement is pretty disengenuous.  Level 30 is when you unlock your top tier skill class but actually choosing and enhancing the effectiveness (what TR players refer to as "pumping") of your skills continues all of the way to 50.

You make it sound like at 30 you're character's skill template is complete, done, and finished and you just spend the next twenty levels doing nothing but increasing attributes.

And as far as class systems go I thought TR's was really, really well done.  There just weren't enough skills/classes.  But in all reality TR's quasi-skill/class system was much more dynamic than the traditional class structures used in pedestrian MMOs (not that TR isn't pedestrian but there were a few things it did very well IMO).

I'm currently playing CoX and once you select your secondary and primary powersets that's it.  Thems your skills aside from a few you might choose out of the "general" power pools that are available to every toon.  But it's not like once I hit level X I all of the sudden have five brand new skills waiting for me.  It's still the same pool of skills I was looking at when I created the toon.

Did not mean to come across that way at all. But at level 30 you get you last skills. Can they be enhanced the rest of the way? Yes they can. Does that make them so different you feel like 30-50 was worthwhile? Not in my opinion.
 

 

 

Just out of curiousity....Rokurgepta...when was the last time you played this game and what are you playing now and why aren't you participating in that community?

Just kinda wondering what your motivation is for hanging around repeating the fact you don't like the game...even though you apparently played it quit a bit.

 

 

 

I am currently playing Vanguard. I do participate in that community. As said before I stopped playing TR for the second time in mid August. I did like TR, it just faded quickly and nothing the devs have done since I have left has made me want to play it again. As a matter of fact the killing off PAUs after claiming they were on internal testing and then making them just a basic MECH killed off any desire I have to ever play again unless the return to Earth sounds amazing.
 

My motivation is I have the same right to discuss the game as anyone else on this site. My opinion of it is generally negative, these days. Due to the facts I have posted before. I am sorry if my presence offends people who want to gush about the game like it was the second coming.

If people want to make fantastic claims of the games amazing uberleetness, someone has to be the opposite side of that coin and bring a ray of reality into the mix. If I believed half of the fanboys I would think this was a WOW killer(not that I liked WOW or think it is the game of games) instead of the barely hanging on resume stain it seems to be. Or do you think 2 lead dev changes, 2 community leaders, the head GM and the guy who has his name on the box all leaving were good signs?

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by lkavadas

That statement is pretty disengenuous.  Level 30 is when you unlock your top tier skill class but actually choosing and enhancing the effectiveness (what TR players refer to as "pumping") of your skills continues all of the way to 50.

You make it sound like at 30 you're character's skill template is complete, done, and finished and you just spend the next twenty levels doing nothing but increasing attributes.

And as far as class systems go I thought TR's was really, really well done.  There just weren't enough skills/classes.  But in all reality TR's quasi-skill/class system was much more dynamic than the traditional class structures used in pedestrian MMOs (not that TR isn't pedestrian but there were a few things it did very well IMO).

I'm currently playing CoX and once you select your secondary and primary powersets that's it.  Thems your skills aside from a few you might choose out of the "general" power pools that are available to every toon.  But it's not like once I hit level X I all of the sudden have five brand new skills waiting for me.  It's still the same pool of skills I was looking at when I created the toon.

Did not mean to come across that way at all. But at level 30 you get you last skills. Can they be enhanced the rest of the way? Yes they can. Does that make them so different you feel like 30-50 was worthwhile? Not in my opinion.
 

 

 

Just out of curiousity....Rokurgepta...when was the last time you played this game and what are you playing now and why aren't you participating in that community?

Just kinda wondering what your motivation is for hanging around repeating the fact you don't like the game...even though you apparently played it quit a bit.

 

 

 

I am currently playing Vanguard. I do participate in that community. As said before I stopped playing TR for the second time in mid August. I did like TR, it just faded quickly and nothing the devs have done since I have left has made me want to play it again. As a matter of fact the killing off PAUs after claiming they were on internal testing and then making them just a basic MECH killed off any desire I have to ever play again unless the return to Earth sounds amazing.
 

My motivation is I have the same right to discuss the game as anyone else on this site. My opinion of it is generally negative, these days. Due to the facts I have posted before. I am sorry if my presence offends people who want to gush about the game like it was the second coming.

If people want to make fantastic claims of the games amazing uberleetness, someone has to be the opposite side of that coin and bring a ray of reality into the mix. If I believed half of the fanboys I would think this was a WOW killer(not that I liked WOW or think it is the game of games) instead of the barely hanging on resume stain it seems to be. Or do you think 2 lead dev changes, 2 community leaders, the head GM and the guy who has his name on the box all leaving were good signs?

Best damn way to explain why us non fans or sometimes called "Trolls" Stcik around We have the right to, we do like the game, and we want to give the other side of the story. For me personally I hate when a new player asks "How is this game" And people give the new player all the good points leaving out the fact that..oh idk example... "You need to spend 120 dollars in cash shop to be a good player at end game (PW international) or... (The entire game world is instence and there is no sense of immersion GW). Both games which I think are Good, but they also have bad points as well as good points. and People who are going to put their money into something deserve to get the entire truth not just part of it.If a player asks a question like "So how is the community currently" A fan will say "Well its small people know eachother a lot more, and its still possible to get a gorup if you join a clan or a guild" Fans will say this even if the damn game only has like 300 players left per server.

Well what I would say is "The community is almost dead, There are X number of players on at Peek times, Finding a group is possible but very hard, The majority of people left for X and Y reasons, the main reason why the community did not come back is X, and this is the way it is.

very different ways of describing things.

Originally posted by Rokurgepta 

Did not mean to come across that way at all. But at level 30 you get you last skills. Can they be enhanced the rest of the way? Yes they can. Does that make them so different you feel like 30-50 was worthwhile? Not in my opinion.

Heh, and this response implies that all you can do between 30 and 50 is pump skills which have already been earned.  You still have to select the skills you want from the pool you've unlocked at level 30.  I'm not sure why you're acting like level 30 unlocking your final pool of skills is some horrible sin.  In most class based MMOs the pool of skills you see at level 1 is the same pool of skills you see at the very last level.  TR at least provided decent sense of skill progression even though overall there was a general lack of skills.

Grinding levels beyond 30 wasn't pointless because there weren't more skills to unlock; it was pointless because nothing worthwhile awaited you.

Originally posted by lkavadas

Originally posted by Rokurgepta 

Did not mean to come across that way at all. But at level 30 you get you last skills. Can they be enhanced the rest of the way? Yes they can. Does that make them so different you feel like 30-50 was worthwhile? Not in my opinion.

 

Heh, and this response implies that all you can do between 30 and 50 is pump skills which have already been earned.  You still have to select the skills you want from the pool you've unlocked at level 30.  I'm not sure why you're acting like level 30 unlocking your final pool of skills is some horrible sin.  In most class based MMOs the pool of skills you see at level 1 is the same pool of skills you see at the very last level.  TR at least provided decent sense of skill progression even though overall there was a general lack of skills.

Grinding levels beyond 30 wasn't pointless because there weren't more skills to unlock; it was pointless because nothing worthwhile awaited you.

In TR it was a horrible sin because there was not much else going on and gaining new skills was one of the few highlights. More skills past level 30 would have been worthwhile.
 

Originally posted by lkavadas

I'm currently playing CoX and once you select your secondary and primary powersets that's it. 

You must be new to CoX then if you think that claim makes any sense.  You continue to pick new powers from your Primary and Secondary power pools all the way to 49.  You can select up to 4 other power pools and pick and choose powers from those.  And around level 40 you get to choose an Epic power pool. 

Comparing the limited power choices available in TR with the almost endless choices available to CoX is disingenuous.  In fact, you do get your last power choice in TR at 30.  "Pumping" a power from 30 to 50 is like getting nothing but the option to add enhancement slots to your powers after you reach 30 in CoX.  That would be very boring.  Having no new powers to look forward to once you reach 30 in TR is a major downside of the game.
 

Originally posted by indiramourn

Originally posted by lkavadas

I'm currently playing CoX and once you select your secondary and primary powersets that's it. 

You must be new to CoX then if you think that claim makes any sense.  You continue to pick new powers from your Primary and Secondary power pools all the way to 49.  You can select up to 4 other power pools and pick and choose powers from those.  And around level 40 you get to choose an Epic power pool. 

Comparing the limited power choices available in TR with the almost endless choices available to CoX is disingenuous.  In fact, you do get your last power choice in TR at 30.  "Pumping" a power from 30 to 50 is like getting nothing but the option to add enhancement slots to your powers after you reach 30 in CoX.  That would be very boring.  Having no new powers to look forward to once you reach 30 in TR is a major downside of the game.
 

Way to miss my point.  Answer these simple questions for me.

1. CoX: The list of powers you see when you create your toon; are they not the exact same list of powers you see once you make your very last power when you're 49?

I'll go ahead and answer that question for you: yes (exceptions being VEATs and Khelds).

2. TR: The list of powers you see when you create your toon; are they different than the powers you see when your attain last skill points at level 50?

I'll go ahead and answer that one for you too: no.

Do you understand the point I'm making?  While no new powers technically "unlock" to you post 30 you can still pick and enhance as many skills as you have points for as opposed to CoX's wretched and rigid AT structure where you stare at a completely unchanging list for the entire life of the toon aside from secondary stuff in the general pools (most of which are either terrible or just various flavors of transportation).  You can do more than just "pump" your existing powers from level 30 and beyond.  You can use those skill points to select any power you don't already have as well.

Ugh, y'know what, I've typed too much already.  Your a moron, please stop talking, and this is my last post on a board for one of the worst MMOs ever made that will inevitbaly be shut down in less than a year.

Have fun while it lasts, dingus.

Edit: Furthermore CoX is a terrible game that is only propped up by it's unique theme.  It's combat system sucks, the missions suck, the AT system sucks, the PvP system sucks, there is absolutely no crafting (TR's original crafting system was more in depth than CoX's and that's embarassing), no type of actual player possessions, and the IO system is completely lackluster.