General Discussion

When I say A+, I mean by quality. Like say you got Gears of War, CoD, Oblivion,Fallout3 as example A+ single player games. Now if a A+ title came to the mmo genre would it really be successful? Could it really pull players from WoW? (esp. as people have invested a lot of time in the game to give up and go to a new one, or are 'addicted' in some people's cases)

Nope.

There already are games in the same niche as WoW and surpassing it in many ways, but the horde still flocks to it.

First thing is, WoW has the numbers - you find people playing all the time and your friends are probably playing WoW aswell. Second, Blizzard does nothing to RMT trades, you can get gold and maxed out characters just by spending a little money, and for many there's only the "end game" Of course, you get nice sub numbers when all of the RMT industry is allowed to stay... Third, lore is so sub-par/nonexistent it can be understood (and quest texts as well, in the rare case they even might be needed) by first graders.

Over time, the playerbase will shift, but when, who knows? But then - if you have enough people in game to make grouping feasible at the times you play and the subscriber base will keep the devs afloat, why go for the lowest common denominator? Amount of subs is not really IMHO the final yardstick in any way how good or bad a game is.

WoW keeps most of it's real accounts due social ties, but it's trickling players away all the time. On the other hand, many of us don't want to see WoW crowd in our present or future game at all, so keep the floodgates shut please ;)

It is much easier to produce a A+ single game than online game because a A+ mmo needs too much mooney before making money, and it is not affordable by every company. For quick money, single game is better investment or a cheap F2P.

I'd say yes.  But, then again, LOTRO was very polished at launch and their subs are nothing great (as far as I know).

Originally posted by Larry2298

It is much easier to produce a A+ single game than online game because a A+ mmo needs too much mooney before making money, and it is not affordable by every company. For quick money, single game is better investment or a cheap F2P.

 

I would not call a A++ single play game "cheap" to make. Those still cost like $10-15M. However, MMO are costing like $50-75M ... and definitely a lot more expensive than SP games.

Not gonna happen anytime soon. First, the world economy is tanking fast - definitely not a good environment for investment. Second, any publisher who looks at the economic fortunes of TR, AoC and WAR, and the current status of WoW, and still decides to publish an MMO now might as well just create a big bonfire with their remaining cash.

Originally posted by nomadian

When I say A+, I mean by quality. Like say you got Gears of War, CoD, Oblivion,Fallout3 as example A+ single player games. Now if a A+ title came to the mmo genre would it really be successful? Could it really pull players from WoW? (esp. as people have invested a lot of time in the game to give up and go to a new one, or are 'addicted' in some people's cases)

First off I think most of the responses so far have ignored your actual question...

Second off I think part of your question is also part of the "problem" with how MMO's are doing.

In my opinion there hasn't been any A+ title to join the market lately.  Yes sorry even tho I loved DAoC imho WAR was not an A+ title.

So its hard to answer the actual question because:

1) There hasn't been any real A+ game

2) Nobody is actually making the game they advertise

3) Even if they tried to do (2) they end up cutting so much to hit a static release date that (2) doesn't happen.

So if this game actually hit market no one can say what would happen.. because it hasn't happened.

The issue I mentioned with your actual question is this:

"would it really be successful? Could it really pull players from WoW? (esp. as people have invested a lot of time in the game to give up and go to a new one, or are 'addicted' in some people's cases)"

To be a success isn't dependant on taking someone elses market.  In fact when someone has a market locked down pretty tight... success will be found in another market.

If *I* made an MMO to release to market... I don't want to pull players from WoW.  I wouldn't complain if they came as its money... but I would want to capture the large (imho) market that doesn't want to play a game like WoW.

If I make a profit doing that.. it would be success from a company view point.  As long as companies keep trying to clone what they think makes WoW "a success" ... and badly cloning it at that.. they are not going to succeed on a level they think they will.

that's my *ponder* about 300 cents I guess.

Another A+ title would do just fine, provided that A+ title was World of Starcraft.

WoW's secret to success

1. low lag, some people raid on dial up

2. low system requirements

3. emphasis on combat, low lag is important for combat

4. entry level stuff mixed in with hard core stuff, a wide variety of content that appeals to guilds and soloers.

Originally posted by nomadian

When I say A+, I mean by quality. Like say you got Gears of War, CoD, Oblivion,Fallout3 as example A+ single player games. Now if a A+ title came to the mmo genre would it really be successful? Could it really pull players from WoW? (esp. as people have invested a lot of time in the game to give up and go to a new one, or are 'addicted' in some people's cases)

You do realise, aoc and warhamemr are both triple A titles? with multi million doallr budgets right?  I dont get where your goign with this.  Why would a single playe game be an mmo?  If its already out on PC then it must already be a single player game. Jesus wasnt war, vanguard, lotro, tr, aoc, etc etc etc meant to pull players away from wow?  jesus peopels fascination with the downfall of blizzard and wow is just bizzare.  So you dont liek well made games?  Maybe go play tic-tac-toe , you may like it.