EVE Online

Nope. Sorry.

4/5 in your skills won't help you if someone counters your setup. That's how my industry-alt killed a mega, and later an armageddon in his punisher..

Originally posted by WizardBlack

LOL, I love the one-off examples and the oversimplification of my statements. Go ahead guys. Those that qualify themselves as mostly PvP-oriented (and not overly patient) have gotten the picture, I think.

those that are good enough will play eve, people like you... not so much.

Originally posted by WizardBlack

LOL, I love the one-off examples and the oversimplification of my statements. Go ahead guys. Those that qualify themselves as mostly PvP-oriented (and not overly patient) have gotten the picture, I think.

Except that that one off example is repeated over and over by many who have succeeded at EVE.  I gave a single example so as not to bore everyone reading.

I am mostly a PvP oriented player, and not very patient at all. As one who has played EVE, and succeeded at it, I do get the picture, about EVE, and about you.

Originally posted by WizardBlack

 

Yeah, I know all the arguments. I've heard them all. I am simply warning new guys that don't necessarily want to wait to build 10M SP to be "pretty close" to vets or 5M SP to "be lucky sometimes with good tactics".

That guy won't be able(want to wait for) to raid/grind for gear in WoW either, hence my reference to WoW.

Originally posted by Xennith

Originally posted by WizardBlack

LOL, I love the one-off examples and the oversimplification of my statements. Go ahead guys. Those that qualify themselves as mostly PvP-oriented (and not overly patient) have gotten the picture, I think.

 

those that are good enough will play eve, people like you... not so much.

Yeah, because trying to insult someone just because their opinion is different really shows how "good" you are.

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by WizardBlack

 

Yeah, I know all the arguments. I've heard them all. I am simply warning new guys that don't necessarily want to wait to build 10M SP to be "pretty close" to vets or 5M SP to "be lucky sometimes with good tactics".

 

That guy won't be able(want to wait for) to raid/grind for gear in WoW either, hence my reference to WoW.

Valid point. :-) I would tell that market segment the same thing about WoW for the selfsame reason.

Originally posted by batolemaeus

Nope. Sorry.

4/5 in your skills won't help you if someone counters your setup. That's how my industry-alt killed a mega, and later an armageddon in his punisher..

Yeah, of course tactics also play into it. I'd say Eve is a solid 50/50 between skills and gear versus tactics. Yeah, some people will try to start a fight about that too, I suppose. The bottom line is it's my damn opinion (and some others would agree once they figure it out) and not necessarily some others. But to say people are dumb or incompetent just because they don't agree is juvenile.

Some of those victorious moments are truly great. The bottom line is that the training system in the game works for a particular market segment; which is great for that segment. It just doesn't fit other people's needs. Likewise, the whole purpose of the system is for it's obvious capitalistic benefits (for the publisher); not to pick up a particular segment.

Originally posted by WizardBlack

Originally posted by batolemaeus

Nope. Sorry.

4/5 in your skills won't help you if someone counters your setup. That's how my industry-alt killed a mega, and later an armageddon in his punisher..

 

Yeah, of course tactics also play into it. I'd say Eve is a solid 50/50 between skills and gear versus tactics. Yeah, some people will try to start a fight about that too, I suppose. The bottom line is it's my damn opinion (and some others would agree once they figure it out) and not necessarily some others. But to say people are dumb or incompetent just because they don't agree is juvenile.

Some of those victorious moments are truly great. The bottom line is that the training system in the game works for a particular market segment; which is great for that segment. It just doesn't fit other people's needs. Likewise, the whole purpose of the system is for it's obvious capitalistic benefits (for the publisher); not to pick up a particular segment.

I'll take a 50/50 skills & gear/tactics ratio over the 90/10 gear/skills ratio for most other MMO's. I'd also argue that gear is even less important in EVE. I'd say it's more like a 10/40/50 gear/skills/tactics ratio in EVE because no matter how many billions of isk you spend on the most tricked out ship in the game, if you don't know how to fly it it will go pop very quickly.

Originally posted by Minsc

Originally posted by WizardBlack

Originally posted by batolemaeus

Nope. Sorry.

4/5 in your skills won't help you if someone counters your setup. That's how my industry-alt killed a mega, and later an armageddon in his punisher..

 

Yeah, of course tactics also play into it. I'd say Eve is a solid 50/50 between skills and gear versus tactics. Yeah, some people will try to start a fight about that too, I suppose. The bottom line is it's my damn opinion (and some others would agree once they figure it out) and not necessarily some others. But to say people are dumb or incompetent just because they don't agree is juvenile.

Some of those victorious moments are truly great. The bottom line is that the training system in the game works for a particular market segment; which is great for that segment. It just doesn't fit other people's needs. Likewise, the whole purpose of the system is for it's obvious capitalistic benefits (for the publisher); not to pick up a particular segment.

 

I'll take a 50/50 skills & gear/tactics ratio over the 90/10 gear/skills ratio for most other MMO's. I'd also argue that gear is even less important in EVE. I'd say it's more like a 10/40/50 gear/skills/tactics ratio in EVE because no matter how many billions of isk you spend on the most tricked out ship in the game, if you don't know how to fly it it will go pop very quickly.

Yes, of course.