Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

 I want to know honestly, at peak times, how many people are gona be online on the most populated server? I'm really interested in playing this game but when I first tried it was too buggy, then I tried again after the fixes and the world was too empty. What are the odds of me finding groups consistently at lower levels

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by Ekibiogami 

You are Wrong on Sandbox. Sanbox Means that You the player can Have some to Great Effect on the world. In Vanguard You have NONE. Like you said tho, it is "Free Range" Or "Open Theam Park"

Course Most MMO's are Open theam. There never was Anyone on WOW telling me I had to do this Next set of quests.. Heck i spent most of my time Dooing other things from what most people do in that game. (And i lvled Ungodly slow because of it).

ATM I can not think of a True Sandbox game.Edit Eve is one Old Starwars was a Sandbox game and UO was the Biggest and Most True Sandbox game there was. Both have been Butched from that tho.

In Vanguard I have yet to Do a Dungen. Not TK Not anything. Wanted to. But just havent. Prohaps its time. Im lvl 22 atm With a Brother Hood thats all Unsubscribed.

By simply googling "define:Sandbox game" the following is the result:

A sandbox game (or a video game with an optional sandbox mode) is a video game with an open-ended and non-linear style of gameplay...

My point.

 

Ok so by your Deff Most mmos lik wow are Sandboxs? The only real theampark games are Guildwars or what?

there are 20 Diffrent Deff's of sand box on this fourm. Wiki Dosent make you Instantly right. And there is a Big Diff from a MMO to GTA.

Originally posted by Clatil

 I want to know honestly, at peak times, how many people are gona be online on the most populated server? I'm really interested in playing this game but when I first tried it was too buggy, then I tried again after the fixes and the world was too empty. What are the odds of me finding groups consistently at lower levels

Full Groups? Not sure. there are allways people LFGing everywhere and at all lvls. Even 50 now.

Originally posted by Steelrose

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by Lydon

Secondly, sandbox isn't determined by how many people are along the way. You can do what you want, when you want. The number of people doing it along with you is irrelevant. Do you know what sandbox means?

 

You are Wrong on Sandbox. Sanbox Means that You the player can Have some to Great Effect on the world. In Vanguard You have NONE. Like you said tho, it is "Free Range" Or "Open Theam Park"

Course Most MMO's are Open theam. There never was Anyone on WOW telling me I had to do this Next set of quests.. Heck i spent most of my time Dooing other things from what most people do in that game. (And i lvled Ungodly slow because of it).

ATM I can not think of a True Sandbox game.Edit Eve is one Old Starwars was a Sandbox game and UO was the Biggest and Most True Sandbox game there was. Both have been Butched from that tho.

In Vanguard I have yet to Do a Dungen. Not TK Not anything. Wanted to. But just havent. Prohaps its time. Im lvl 22 atm With a Brother Hood thats all Unsubscribed.

 

Your definition is wrong. Sandbox has nothing to do with impact on world (That's actually usually the exact opposite). Sandbox is simply nonlinear world with no barriers, no invisible walls, no impassable terrain, no level requirements for anything.

Er...no.  While the definition is somewhat open ended, you're parameters are almost never part of it. (except the part about level requirements).  And yes, in almost all Sandbox style games, a player can definitely have impact on the world, sometimes quite significantly.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game#Sandbox_mode

 But back on topic. Is VG dying? I think a game needs a pulse first before it can die.

Originally posted by Copeland

In my opinion Vanguard now stands alone as the best sandbox game out.

OK. I have to intervene here, because i love the concept of VG and its world, but in the "sandbox" departament this game is a failure. It has leveling, bind equipment, skills learned by classes every 2 levels. The world is not zoned but your actions are constrained by levels of quests and mobs, so i fail to see any sandboxiness...in this case it is JUST like WOW.

Sorry

PS: and don't get me started on the sandboxiness of PVP :P

Originally posted by Steelrose

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by Lydon

Secondly, sandbox isn't determined by how many people are along the way. You can do what you want, when you want. The number of people doing it along with you is irrelevant. Do you know what sandbox means?

 

You are Wrong on Sandbox. Sanbox Means that You the player can Have some to Great Effect on the world. In Vanguard You have NONE. Like you said tho, it is "Free Range" Or "Open Theam Park"

Course Most MMO's are Open theam. There never was Anyone on WOW telling me I had to do this Next set of quests.. Heck i spent most of my time Dooing other things from what most people do in that game. (And i lvled Ungodly slow because of it).

ATM I can not think of a True Sandbox game.Edit Eve is one Old Starwars was a Sandbox game and UO was the Biggest and Most True Sandbox game there was. Both have been Butched from that tho.

In Vanguard I have yet to Do a Dungen. Not TK Not anything. Wanted to. But just havent. Prohaps its time. Im lvl 22 atm With a Brother Hood thats all Unsubscribed.

 

Your definition is wrong. Sandbox has nothing to do with impact on world (That's actually usually the exact opposite).<<Plz explain Sandbox is simply nonlinear world with no barriers, no invisible walls, no impassable terrain, no level requirements for anything.

So were back to Old UO and Eve as the only 2 Sandboxes.. So be it.
 

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

So were back to Old UO and Eve as the only 2 Sandboxes.. So be it.

 

Yes, only these 2 games are really sandbox...

Originally posted by Kyleran

But back on topic. Is VG dying? I think a game needs a pulse first before it can die.

Id say 250k Boxes sold at Launch was a Good Pulse. To bad the Subject Crashed(Literaly) Right after.

Its sad that the Devs arn't trying at all to get those 250k to resub. they are trying to go for the eq2/wow (Im not sure tbh) Groups.

Originally posted by madnagash

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

So were back to Old UO and Eve a