WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Gregtheexcon 

And I saw you used class imbalance, your kidding me right? This game is based on TEAM. Some classes may seem hindered in combat but they all have a place. To say otherwise is poor judgement in which your article can actually be considered Bias. I mean look at every other mmo ever created. Theres always classes that seem op to some and piece of cake to others. Diffrent scenario's can thrive on diffrent mixes. 

 

Just because this is billed as a team based game it does not justify the condition some classes are in, nor does it make valid any class being subpar because they are part of a collective.  Class balance is more than just who pwns who and everyone needs to carry their own weight.  There are some classes that just do not bring anything worth while to the team that another class can also bring and then some additional dps/utility on top of that.

Most classes are fine, but for a team based game I sure could fill my entire warband with 6-7 of the classes and never ever miss the other 3-4. 

 

 

And what classes are you refering to? I see alot of dislike towards the magus. Not sure why, because I have a magus and they very good. Path Of Havoc offers very good damage, no chance at recoil. Since there is no chance at recoil obviously hes not gonna push out as much as sorc or BW. Cause if that was the case then there would be no sorc or BW's (According to peoples play styles)
 

Next one is swordmaster. I mean come on. Check my Vid, seriously im a lvl 29 SM in tier 4 and look at it. I have 4-5 guys pounding on me in 1 scene, that alone means theres less defence for there squishy guys which means offence can focus on them.

Squig herder was another. And I laugh at this one. I have a squig herder (unfortunatly on a low pop server) but these guys are deadly, path of quick shooting is very good tree to go. Mid range maybe but the cc these guys can contribute is unreal.

Shadow Warriors have a bad rep also, these guys can have some great output on damage, PLUS with alot of teh same ccing offered by SH (minus a few things) But these guys also have the ability to take a battle to hand to hand if need be, granted there not very strong but with there assualt stance and some skill these guys can make a decent amount of close quarter damage.

White lions are another, my god those pets are a pain in the butt (My zealot knows) these things can keep any healer for full attention on there main healing target pus with there pouncethey jump right in to take down clothies with a well played WH.

So yeah, what classes are you reffering to? After I started seeing alot of hate towards these classes I tried em, and yeah I did not get to 40, but not everything is endgame. They have all made it to tier 3 scenario's. So please explain where this handicap comes from.

Edit:about my Vid that was all from last night. My magus is the only 1 non tier 3 i mentioned above. Wasn't really a maruder fan but there scenario was popping fast. Just wanted a vid for action

Greg,

Don't you find it funny that without even mentioning any classes you immediately put several to the front of the list?  Whether those are the ones I would skip or not just ask yourself, would your team be better off without those classes?  Would it be better if they made up 30-40% of you team instead of their counterparts?  What do they bring that another class doesn't?  Can you replace them with another class and get more utility, damage, survivability? 

The "great cc" offered by the SH and SW, can you find the same exact thing in other dps classes that do more DPS and have more tools to boot?

What does the magus bring to suppliment their lower damage?

The white lions pet is worth replacing what exactly? 

Swordmaster.... well tanks are just to much fun in Warhammer. 

Edit: I didn't watch your video so I can't really relate to the things you are speaking of.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Greg,

Don't you find it funny that without even mentioning any classes you immediately put several to the front of the list?  Whether those are the ones I would skip or not just ask yourself, would your team be better off without those classes?  Would it be better if they made up 30-40% of you team instead of their counterparts?  What do they bring that another class doesn't?  Can you replace them with another class and get more utility, damage, survivability? 

 

The "great cc" offered by the SH and SW, can you find the same exact thing in other dps classes that do more DPS and have more tools to boot?

What does the magus bring to suppliment their lower damage?

The white lions pet is worth replacing what exactly? 

Swordmaster.... well tanks are just to much fun in Warhammer. 

 

Edit: I didn't watch your video so I can't really relate to the things you are speaking of.

Well I chose those classes because on the forum here they get the most attention, as being crappy. As far as replacing them, you wouldn't need to. They have the capability of matching the other classes in productivity.  So its not a matter of who's better, its a matter do these classes hinder the team. IMO I do not think so if there played correctly, some classes are just more user friendly, thats the diffrnce. 

The Magus brings fire power, have you used one before? Path Of Havoc is a great tree, plus the crit rate is very good. They don't blow themselves so  healers do not have to monitor them as much. They also have many instant cast abilityies which means there mobile and can drag there hitters away from the battle when beng chased.

White Lion Pet is great. I send my lion to 1 healer and pounce another. The 2 of us now have 2 healers on the move, disrupting focus healing, which i turn makes more dead bodies.

Swordmaster are unique, they really are, they absorb so much damage at high lvls and when they are the first past enemy lines there the first targeted. So they take the blunt hit while the others do there job, but remember they gotta be first. Once again, its the way a character is played that defines there ability.

The SH and SW are great support, support not dps. These guys drain the life of peeps with anti-healing tricks as well. With the SHers horned squig you disrupt healing, once again a very usefull tool while other dps goes for another healer as well, and you as a herder pelt away the front line Order.

So yeah, I feel if a class is played good., they do not hinder your side, that is balance. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it.  If you think class balance is, all classes clash in the middle and no one dies, thats the problem im seeing with the unbalance posts. Like focus firing  should be the only way to down a guy. Thats not balance, thats just crap. 

Now granted, depending on how many tanks, front line dps, healers and what not are the real decision on the outcome of a battle, but the fact remains, not 1 class can hinder a team, that is balnce

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(Just glad you took the time to actually play the game before giving a round about of your opinion unlike others who played 2-3 weeks or a month and some never played at all and bitched this game out)

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As opposed to those who have played War since day one until now and said "GREATEST GAME EVER!! Nothing wrong with this game! It's perfect! Stop bitching!"?? You mean these type too or just the people who said they didn't like the problems with War?

I don't think /TIME PLAYED has the greatest impact on an accurate assessment of games nessarily. Some people can play a game in less than a month and see it has glaring problems, as many did with Vanguard, and some can play a game since launch and never see (or admit) any serious and real problems due to their rose-colored LCD screens and the corporate tattoo logoed on their heartsleeves.

Don't categorize people by the amount of time played to the amount of validity they post, Greg. That isn't the end-all indicator. I would argue that the OP has spent a significant amount of time playing and posting serious problems he found, and you are STILL saying this isn't really important or that isn't really important, when most people who play with honesty say it is.

That could make you as bad as someone who rips the game after playing 1 day.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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(Just glad you took the time to actually play the game before giving a round about of your opinion unlike others who played 2-3 weeks or a month and some never played at all and bitched this game out)

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As opposed to those who have played War since day one until now and said "GREATEST GAME EVER!! Nothing wrong with this game! It's perfect! Stop bitching!"?? You mean these type too or just the people who said they didn't like the problems with War?

I don't think /TIME PLAYED has the greatest impact on an accurate assessment of games nessarily. Some people can play a game in less than a month and see it has glaring problems, as many did with Vanguard, and some can play a game since launch and never see (or admit) any serious and real problems due to their rose-colored LCD screens and the corporate tattoo logoed on their heartsleeves.

Don't categorize people by the amount of time played to the amount of validity they post, Greg. That isn't the end-all indicator. I would argue that the OP has spent a significant amount of time playing and posting serious problems he found, and you are STILL saying this isn't really important or that isn't really important, when most people who play with honesty say it is.

That could make you as bad as someone who rips the game after playing 1 day.

Seriosuly, if someone does get to lvl 40 in 2-3 weeks, they skipped most of the content, in which does not give them a full outlook of the game. (For proper critisim)

A player does not get to 40, then yeah there not quite there. 

There is gonna be issues with every game, thats a given. Its what is being done about it that makes a diffrence. Response times to these issues. Mythic has been hands down nothing but great in getting to the drawing board making changes, so yeah, im not concerned.  Yes probelms need to be brought up, but what people consider groundbreaking and w/e are ridiculus. Not saying the OP was making outrageous claims, but I have seen many. I was merely making comments on a couple of his "problems" 

Taking things out of text also is poor contribution.  Play time does have a huge indicator on a games review, thats why I applaud the OP. But these people who said "Oh this game sucks, not subbing after my free runs out" those are the ones im speaking about. They jumped ship before the game started walking. 

And yes, those who say greatest game ever are just as bad. This game is great, and fun. But not the greatest. I never once posted ever saying that or condoned anyone who did, trolls and over hyped fanboi's are the same imo. So please do not make it sound like im praising this game to the heavens and defending the fanboi base. I merely stated my opinion to his opinion. 

That is all

I appreciate the discussion and not being flamed too bad

I have spent a lot of time covering this game.   As a guild leader who got burned badly by AoC, I have to be as honest as possible when reviewing games and their issues or I will lose credibility as a guild leader.  I have been playing Warhammer since its Beta stages.  If you read all 3 of the articles relating to this game, you can see I have done by best to both give Mythic credit for the progress they have made and to point out potential problems.

I still play the game, just not as much as I used to.   I have watched slowly as people and guilds on my server have 1 by 1 been dropping off and disappearing.  If I were not in the position of guild leader, I probably would have stopped playing by now, and may stop at the end of this cycle.   I am fortunatelenough to be on a high pop server, but there is a large part of the population who finds itself on servers on life support.   These issues are real and are given even more validity by Mythic's actions and plans for the next few months.

I think a lot of people who have stopped are on the sidelines right now watching to see where this is going.   This game has a big advantage over AoC in that it actually works.   Most of the content in AoC was broken and buggy, and the communication used by Funcom compared to Mythic are like night and day.  That being said, I maintain that these next 30 days will either be remembered as the month where too many people left to salvage the game, or where they turned it all around to become a viable competitor in the market.

 Its a shame that people have been leaving, people were leaving for certain reasons, which are being fixed so they might come back. With new server transfers there condensing even more which will provide higher pops.

This game isn't for everyone thats  a given, I would just like to say if anyone does leave keep your eye on it.  This game is gonna be good, there turning it around right now. Not saying it because Im a fan, just amazed on there upkeep and responsiveness to this game. Mythic are doing a great job imo.