World of Warcraft

Considering that the game released on Nov 13 I find it somewhat surprising that so many achievements could be reached in 1 to 3 days.

• less than a day to reach the highest skil levels in a lot of professions.
• one day to reach level 80 on all characters
• two days to reach a level 80 on a deathknight
• three days to beat possibly all dungeons on heroic difficulty

See them here:

http://www.wowarmory.com/?rhtml=y

On my server I still occasionally see heroic achievements being displayed (they are bugged, the same person is announced for the entire raid).

Overall I doubt that Blizzard had expected it to be quite as quick. I don't think  BC being quite this easy to finish.

go outside

Really just a longer version of pervious response:  The focus on reaching the "end" of an MMO, or on having the best gear the quickest, is the number one joykiller (with griefing being a close second) in these games.

It's a journey, or it's no fun. 

Yep, go outside.

Take the advice above!

Originally posted by Channce

go outside

To clarify, because it sounds like you are answering what you think that I said, rather what I actually stated. It is not me who has done these. The link I provided show that these can be done in a few days.

Is this typical for MMOS?

For example if you took the latest expansion pack for EQ2 or LOTRO (I  have not played either game), is it possible to clear the most difficult dungeon in two days?

Originally posted by LuckyPuppy

Originally posted by Channce

go outside

To clarify, because it sounds like you are answering what you think that I said, rather what I actually stated. It is not me who has done these. The link I provided show that these can be done in a few days.

Is this typical for MMOS?

For example if you took the latest expansion pack for EQ2 or LOTRO (I  have not played either game), is it possible to clear the most difficult dungeon in two days?

Yes, it's typical for any game, including MMORPGS. People will always find ways to be the first to do something, that's just how it is. If you cannot handle the fact that there will always be someone willing to put the effort into doing something quicker then everyone else, then gaming is probably not for you. 

Almost everyone wants to be the best, and they will do whatever they feel possible to do so.

Originally posted by LuckyPuppy

Originally posted by Channce

go outside

To clarify, because it sounds like you are answering what you think that I said, rather what I actually stated. It is not me who has done these. The link I provided show that these can be done in a few days.

Is this typical for MMOS?

For example if you took the latest expansion pack for EQ2 or LOTRO (I  have not played either game), is it possible to clear the most difficult dungeon in two days?

These can be done in a couple days if you've got no life and enjoy staring at your computer for 23 hours a day, in addition to having lots of gold to burn (professions) or the backing of a like-minded guild with lots of practice in beta/PTR (end-game content).  What people seem to miss, is the point of MMOs is not to clear everything as fast as possible.  All you gain from that is being able to faceroll the opposing faction for a couple weeks (if you're even into PvP).  It's about the community and experiencing the content.  When you're totally zoned out and hopped up on energy drinks as you grind mobs for the 34th hour, I wouldn't call that experiencing the content or even remotely enjoyable.  And really, have you come across a single game that couldn't be "finished" (as in, reach level cap, finish main storyline, etc) in less than three straight days?  Bethesda designed the main storyline in Oblivion to take about 40 hours.  Hell, Gears of War 2 took me and my roommate less than 12 hours.  Did we beat it on insane difficulty?  No.  Did we explore every corner of the world and discover all the secrets?  No.  Did we practise until we were so proficient at it that we spent more time watching the loading screen and cutscenes than actually playing?  No.  But we wrapped the game.  Think back to the old days... if you're old enough to have played Super Mario 3 on the NES, would you say the game was good value for your money?  I would.  But it's beatable in what, 7 minutes?  And I've seen a video of someone beating Half-Life in just 42 minutes.  It took me that long just to finish the first chapter, first time I played the game.  Obviously 99% of gamers are nowhere near that.  But it's the same idea... are you gonna write off your own experience, before you even have it, because someone else did it better? 

I didn't want to post this but I will the responses above me are incorrect.   The problem with comparing wow to other mmos like eq or lotro (fyi lotro is easier than eq) is that wow is perhaps the most casual player friendly game available on the market.  It didn't start out nearly as easy as it is today but was fairly casual friendly from the beginning.   What has happened is that blizzard has continually "dumbed down" the game to increase their player base.  So the "hardcore" players are able to easily beat the new content because it was created for the casual player not the hardcore.  So if you want a fun game you only have to play a little bit at a time wow is for you if you want something more challenging don't play wow cause you'll max out your stats and gear way to fast and just be playing the waiting game till the next xpac.

Originally posted by 123443211234

I didn't want to post this but I will the responses above me are incorrect.   The problem with comparing wow to other mmos like eq or lotro (fyi lotro is easier than eq) is that wow is perhaps the most casual player friendly game available on the market.  It didn't start out nearly as easy as it is today but was fairly casual friendly from the beginning.   What has happened is that blizzard has continually "dumbed down" the game to increase their player base.  So the "hardcore" players are able to easily beat the new content because it was created for the casual player not the hardcore.  So if you want a fun game you only have to play a little bit at a time wow is for you if you want something more challenging don't play wow cause you'll max out your stats and gear way to fast and just be playing the waiting game till the next xpac.

Sadly, your wall of text is also "incorrect". That is only your opinion, nothing more. WoW has always been casual friendly, but in the last two years they have found a good middle ground between hardcore and casual. I would much prefer a company atleast attempt to create fun and involving content for the majority of it's playerbase instead of the small elitist minority who will never be pleased.