World of Warcraft

Originally posted by grimfall

"Talk to this guy here."

"What guy?"

"This guy right here, Orendus"

"All I see is a rabbit"

The point is, that it doesn't offer anything different, than what's already being offered , and it's debateable whether it's an improvement.  The LOTRO implementation makes more sense, maybe Blizzard should have stolen it more accurately.

So now you can not even play with your friends if you different level but now you have problems if your even in different sections of the same story arc... how is this good?  I see this as more of a step backwards into further making the MMORPG everything but MMO.

Originally posted by brostyn

Originally posted by grimal

I am not discounting the cool technology behind phasing, but then making the huge leap in saying that Blizzard now leads the path to future MMOs is overstating it a bit.  I guess this is one of the very few new things Blizzard has brought to MMOs.  They didnt change anything in so much as other titles before it.

Blizzard has never been about new or innovative ideas with WoW.  For all it's polish, many still say that Blizzard has done more harm than good to the genre.

 

 

 

They've been the leader, since 2004. Where have you been? Love it or hate WoW has influenced every major MMO since its release. Its made two games that game out prior to WoW do complete makeovers(SWG and EQ2). If that's not being a leader I don't know what is.

 

Blizzard isn't making other devs create carbon copies. Blizz has done tons for the genre. Its brought a huge amount of interest to MMOs. That is a good thing. EA, SOE, Turbine are the ones to blame for trying to create a WoW clone not Blizzard.

WoW has influenced every game, true; but you can say the same thing about every other major MMO out there. You don't think the choices Funcom made with AoC or Mythic with Warhammer or even NCSoft with TR made doesn't influence future developers?

Blizz has brought the MMO to the mainstream, true.  But that sword is double-edged...it has also sacrificed a lot in the genre.  Because of it's mammoth stature, few and fewer games are trying to work out of their model..a model which many, including myself, believe to be a watered down version of MMOs before it. 

Yes, their product is polished, and yes they have players, but if you honestly believe WoW is the BEST mmo out there ever produced than I would argue that you haven't been around the genre long enough to remember those preceding it...for the money, I would argure that EQ, in it's initial inception, was a better game than WoW. 

I don't mean to bash the OP, but his profile says he's 18..now if that's true, then most likely than not, this is his first MMO and, despite how wonderful that may be for him, he came into the genre at a late time.  There have been more than six years of MMOs before that...A LOT has changed, some for the better, some for the worse...

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by strategy

Originally posted by Kyleran

But with so much wrong with WOW, is one positive thing worth really crowing about?

 

 

LOL, yep there is so much wrong with this game that no one plays it. :))

 

Wow.  It's like your arguing McDonalds is leading the way because they have a dollar menu....

 

Commercial success /= great game.

Yup you are correct. It is a great game. It's probably one of the better games out now.
 

Originally posted by Nicoli

Originally posted by grimfall

"Talk to this guy here."

"What guy?"

"This guy right here, Orendus"

"All I see is a rabbit"

The point is, that it doesn't offer anything different, than what's already being offered , and it's debateable whether it's an improvement.  The LOTRO implementation makes more sense, maybe Blizzard should have stolen it more accurately.

So now you can not even play with your friends if you different level but now you have problems if your even in different sections of the same story arc... how is this good?  I see this as more of a step backwards into further making the MMORPG everything but MMO.

It all depends how it is implemented and when. It sure fixes the dreaded "same old world" feeling. And in good hands it could be a revolution.

That's the discussion we"re having. Also don't expect the dreadfull AoC instancing. That has nothing to do with it. Players still talk and see each other (mostly :) ), they just are on different tracks.

I think this technique could be applied for in complete worlds to explore. Therefore I think Blizzard next MMO is space oriented. Just guessing here. But phasing in these kind of MMO's would be a blast.

"Recce missions" for example or planets that change after being hit by a rocket attack.

In 5 years time all MMORPG's will have big elements of phasing techniques, I am sure of that.

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Originally posted by grimal

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Originally posted by brostyn

They've been the leader, since 2004. Where have you been? Love it or hate WoW has influenced every major MMO since its release. Its made two games that game out prior to WoW do complete makeovers(SWG and EQ2). If that's not being a leader I don't know what is.
 
Blizzard isn't making other devs create carbon copies. Blizz has done tons for the genre. Its brought a huge amount of interest to MMOs. That is a good thing. EA, SOE, Turbine are the ones to blame for trying to create a WoW clone not Blizzard.

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WoW has influenced every game, true; but you can say the same thing about every other major MMO out there. You don't think the choices Funcom made with AoC or Mythic with Warhammer or even NCSoft with TR made doesn't influence future developers?
 
Blizz has brought the MMO to the mainstream, true.  But that sword is double-edged...it has also sacrificed a lot in the genre.  Because of it's mammoth stature, few and fewer games are trying to work out of their model..a model which many, including myself, believe to be a watered down version of MMOs before it. 
Yes, their product is polished, and yes they have players, but if you honestly believe WoW is the BEST mmo out there ever produced than I would argue that you haven't been around the genre long enough to remember those preceding it...for the money, I would argure that EQ, in it's initial inception, was a better game than WoW. 
I don't mean to bash the OP, but his profile says he's 18..now if that's true, then most likely than not, this is his first MMO and, despite how wonderful that may be for him, he came into the genre at a late time.  There have been more than six years of MMOs before that...A LOT has changed, some for the better, some for the worse...
 

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10 years actually. We are in 2008, almost 2009. By all standard WoW is now an old game. They might have been leading the industry because of the simplicity of the game, the fact remain that the game is nothing new and simply taking ideas from place to place then fitting it in their game. Experienced and Veterans in the MMO genre doesn't want it anymore, new gamers like it. Thats how it work but WoW was never the first and will not be the last either. And saying Blizzard is not responsible for the Cloning we see all around well then again, look at it the other way. This world is lead by money, before WoW, people based themselves on EQ, AC and AO mainly. They tried to reproduce those success then went from there. Then WoW came, it took ideas from all around, made a game, tried to improve a small bit on a few idea that weren't dangerous to play with, added a popular brand name to it and then launched it. That was in all aspect a perfect scenario for a game. They already had the fan base to support it. They had the franchise to get people in and they were there at the moment when Fantasy style wasn't giving nausea to most of the MMO players. It had it's current success then built from there. Quite normal too as it is something easy to learn and come into BUT thats that. They got the new players but the major part of the MMO population from before didn't like it after a few months to a year and left it. Thus was created the monster earning money for blizzard and keeping them alive. And thus was why other companies tried to clone it. Why not after all, everyone wants more money in their pocket and money runs our current society. It is blizzard fault that what they did is destroying the MMO genre. It is the overall MMO population (I'm including every single of you in there. If you are on a MMO, you are part of this:P ) that made it as such as fewer and fewer companies want to experiement and try to make the genre evolve.

So after all, who's to blame, both us and blizzard.

Originally posted by Artaryl

 

 

10 years actually. We are in 2008, almost 2009. By all standard WoW is now an old game. They might have been leading the industry because of the simplicity of the game, the fact remain that the game is nothing new and simply taking ideas from place to place then fitting it in their game. Experienced and Veterans in the MMO genre doesn't want it anymore, new gamers like it. Thats how it work but WoW was never the first and will not be the last either. And saying Blizzard is not responsible for the Cloning we see all around well then again, look at it the other way. This world is lead by money, before WoW, people based themselves on EQ, AC and AO mainly. They tried to reproduce those success then went from there. Then WoW came, it took ideas from all around, made a game, tried to improve a small bit on a few idea that weren't dangerous to play with, added a popular brand name to it and then launched it. That was in all aspect a perfect scenario for a game. They already had the fan base to support it. They had the franchise to get people in and they were there at the moment when Fantasy style wasn't giving nausea to most of the MMO players. It had it's current success then built from there. Quite normal too as it is something easy to learn and come into BUT thats that. They got the new players but the major part of the MMO population from before didn't like it after a few months to a year and left it. Thus was created the monster earning money for blizzard and keeping them alive. And thus was why other companies tried to clone it. Why not after all, everyone wants more money in their pocket and money runs our current society. It is blizzard fault that what they did is destroying the MMO genre. It is the overall MMO population (I'm including every single of you in there. If you are on a MMO, you are part of this:P ) that made it as such as fewer and fewer companies want to experiement and try to make the genre evolve.

So after all, who's to blame, both us and blizzard.
 

What this has to do with the topic I really don't know...
 

There was rock 'n roll before Elvis, but Elvis was the first one to sell millions of records.

So Elvis - for most  - is the King of Rock 'n Roll. So who is King of MMO's? - for most ?

Having an opinion is no problem, but ignoring the further developments and not even knowing what is being offered ... and STILL want to be recognised as an opinion leader, because you knew once Bill Haley, well that's tough.

Without Blizzard your industry leader would still be EQ2 or worse. I do certainly think even this very website owns everything to the only PC game maker that also makes an MMORPG.

All the rest in the MMORPG field couldn't even put out a decent PC game. So who is to blame?

Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by FE|Tachyon

I've said it for years,  Blizzard is the best company doing what they do.   They are the benchmark.  Their product may not be the product for everyone, but they produce the highest quality, and functional MMO, ever.    They don't do EVERYTHING better then everyone else, but they do a lot of things VERY VERY WELL.   I won't return to World of Warcraft,  but I can still agree, that it is a great game.   Blizzards NEXT MMO will be the only WoW killer.   Starcraft MMO anyone?  Ohhh I gotta chubby just thinking about it.

 

That's funny.  So if their next MMO flops will you eat your words? 

Blizzard is just another company.  They've produced games I like and games I don't.  No company will ever produce solid hits.

 

Wrong. Tell me a game from Blizzard that has not been a hit. Blizzard isn't just "another company". From my point of view there is : Blizzard and others ...

Exactly.  Blizzard gave us some of the first Player On Player action with Warcraft 1,  Be it only Dailing up to your friends computer.   Blizzard has made and broken nearly every benchmark of Online Gaming.  There is no other 4 companies that could combine to accomplish what blizzard has, and its by far and away the most wealth game developer.  I SAID DEVELOPER.  EA might have more money, but they arn't the same kind of company.  EA makes a killing from its console sales.