Star Wars Galaxies

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Originally posted by razgar

 Yes lets blame the game for some idiot with a gambling problem wasting his cash to get a certain card.

While we're at it, lets blame the casinos for not letting everyone who enters win the jackpot.

 

And why are people with gambling problems losing their money to an MMO?  As Sharky has rightly pointed out, this isn't advertised or regulated as gambling...and yet people with gambling problems are losing all their cash.  See the problem yet?

 

As much as I have defended the game, it really burns my a$$ when people just don't see sense. What some people here FAIL to realise is that you can still LIKE the game, while understanding that the Crappy Card Scam (which has nothing to do with SWG) is nothing more than an unethical, immoral rip-off..

This issue needs to be addressed and SOE needs to be pulled up on it by the relevant authorities. If they want to run a lottery, that's fine. Let them be regulated by the relevant bodies.

And spare me this "They give away 5 cards free" BS. That is a clear attempt to circumvent the system and one that would be shredded by a $20.00 an hour attorney, let alone a $400.00 an hour one.

The TCG targets and exploits gamblers. It is obvious. And for those using Casinos as a comparison point, Im guessing you havent spent much time in Vegas. Even if you aren't playing, you are getting free drinks, food etc. If you are spending big money you get rooms, spa treatments, show tickets etc. You only receive your 5 "free" cards with a PAID subscription, so in reality, they are not free at all. 

Casinos are legislated, legalized gambling, the Crappy Card Scam is not.

S

I don't see why these discussions on the same thing can'tjust stay in the same thread so stuff doesn't need to be re-said over and over...

As I said in the other thread (and others before it), you can call it gambling all you want, it doesn't make it true.  As I've said, the loot cards are like promotion rewards done by every other major company.

 

Actually, by definition in the US and Canada, it is gambling. So you can keep spewing your pro SOE misinformation and Ill stick with the facts. Just because you've "said it" doesn't make it true. The gambling/lottery laws on the subject are iron clad.

S

The argument in this thread has little to do with being "pro-SOE" and everything to do with common sense.  If you can't control your spending and go max out your credit card and "lose" alot of money buying Booster packs in an attempt to get a loot card then you should not have a Credit Card. 

At this point I think this disagreement is due to a cultural difference.  By New Zealand standards, and therefore my standards, this would in no way be considered "gambling" and is seen as just another promotion done by a company for buying their product.

Oh, so the definition of gambling is different in NZ. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

So people who are prone to gambling should not be allowed to posess Credit cards? Do you even read the stuff you write?

Conversely, Is it possible that MAYBE SOE shouldn't be allowed to break countless state and provincial gambling laws in pursuit of the dollar?

SOE could be slaughtering kittens and you'd have some way to rationalise it.

Agree to disagree.

S

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Originally posted by Sharkypal
 
Oh, so the definition of gambling is different in NZ. Thanks for clearing that up for us.
S

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lol, I wonder what other universal concepts differ in NZ.

Originally posted by BarCrow

I guess the US and Canadian lottery commissions need to get on Topps and Fleers ass then. Oh..and Wizards of the Coast....All of these companies have been exploiting the "rare" card trap...both on children and adults for a long while now. You're never guaranteed a rookie or a hologram or foil or Blackspawn of the Moors when you buy a pack of their cards. It's usually the motivator for purchase though and if you get one .....you can charge a butt-load of cash for it.  Is this gambling?

You're talking about a function of the card game that rewards you with other functions of the card game, as opposed to using a function of the card game to reward someone with something totally unrelated.

It's like going to a carnival and wanting to ride the carousel, but you have to win a ticket playing the milk bottles game first. It's obvious that it's just a scam. However, nobody is going to complain if they are giving away stuffed animals, because stuffed animals aren't required to enjoy the rest of the carnival.

People wanting to play SWG shouldn't be punished for not wanting to pay for the TCG. People who play the TCG anyways aren't going to care either way, since the rewards are just a bonus.

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Originally posted by razgar

 Yes lets blame the game for some idiot with a gambling problem wasting his cash to get a certain card.

While we're at it, lets blame the casinos for not letting everyone who enters win the jackpot.

 

And why are people with gambling problems losing their money to an MMO?  As Sharky has rightly pointed out, this isn't advertised or regulated as gambling...and yet people with gambling problems are losing all their cash.  See the problem yet?

 

As much as I have defended the game, it really burns my a$$ when people just don't see sense. What some people here FAIL to realise is that you can still LIKE the game, while understanding that the Crappy Card Scam (which has nothing to do with SWG) is nothing more than an unethical, immoral rip-off..

This issue needs to be addressed and SOE needs to be pulled up on it by the relevant authorities. If they want to run a lottery, that's fine. Let them be regulated by the relevant bodies.

And spare me this "They give away 5 cards free" BS. That is a clear attempt to circumvent the system and one that would be shredded by a $20.00 an hour attorney, let alone a $400.00 an hour one.

The TCG targets and exploits gamblers. It is obvious. And for those using Casinos as a comparison point, Im guessing you havent spent much time in Vegas. Even if you aren't playing, you are getting free drinks, food etc. If you are spending big money you get rooms, spa treatments, show tickets etc. You only receive your 5 "free" cards with a PAID subscription, so in reality, they are not free at all. 

Casinos are legislated, legalized gambling, the Crappy Card Scam is not.

S

I don't see why these discussions on the same thing can'tjust stay in the same thread so stuff doesn't need to be re-said over and over...

As I said in the other thread (and others before it), you can call it gambling all you want, it doesn't make it true.  As I've said, the loot cards are like promotion rewards done by every other major company.

 

Actually, by definition in the US and Canada, it is gambling. So you can keep spewing your pro SOE misinformation and Ill stick with the facts. Just because you've "said it" doesn't make it true. The gambling/lottery laws on the subject are iron clad.

S

The argument in this thread has little to do with being "pro-SOE" and everything to do with common sense.  If you can't control your spending and go max out your credit card and "lose" alot of money buying Booster packs in an attempt to get a loot card then you should not have a Credit Card. 

At this point I think this disagreement is due to a cultural difference.  By New Zealand standards, and therefore my standards, this would in no way be considered "gambling" and is seen as just another promotion done by a company for buying their product.

 

Oh, so the definition of gambling is different in NZ. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

So people who are prone to gambling should not be allowed to posess Credit cards? Do you even read the stuff you write?

Conversely, Is it possible that MAYBE SOE shouldn't be allowed to break countless state and provincial gambling laws in pursuit of the dollar?

SOE could be slaughtering kittens and you'd have some way to rationalise it.

Agree to disagree.

S

If you can't keep control of your spending habbits then no, you shouldn't have a credit card, gambling or otherwise.  I'm sure gambling rules here are mostly the same here in NZ as in the US - the TCG wouldn't be considered gambling though ;)

I'm sure if SOE had been breaking any laws action would have already been taken, especially considering it's existed in EQ2 for a year and a half now.

again as i said before i dont see any of you rallying against blizzard for their ingame loot items from their ccg

so no this isnt about cards it isnt about gambling its about soe and your hate thats all nothing more

Originally posted by lobster99

again as i said before i dont see any of you rallying against blizzard for their ingame loot items from their ccg

so no this isnt about cards it isnt about gambling its about soe and your hate thats all nothing more

Blizzard isn't giving away raiding epics in their card game. In fact, all of their items are PURE 100% cosmetics and nothing more. I still don't like it, but at least it's not interfering with my gameplay.

Originally posted by lobster99

again as i said before i dont see any of you rallying against blizzard for their ingame loot items from their ccg

so no this isnt about cards it isnt about gambling its about soe and your hate thats all nothing more

 

ROFLMAO

I cant speak for anyone else here, but I can tell you that I dont have "SOE hate". I have defended my right to play and enjoy SWG from many of the same people who I am agreeing with in this thread.

There is a fundamental difference. Debating whether or not we like the game is subjective and based purely on one's own opinion and personal enjoyment of SWG.

When SOE conspires to break the law by preying on people with a predisposition to gambling while operating OUTSIDE of the legal entities that were put in place with the specific purpose of making sure that this kind of thing does not happen. We have to make sure they are properly reported and either adhere to the laws (depending on location) or have the TCG permanently shutdown.

You can rest assured that I am pursuing this and there are others who are doing the same. I dont even care if it gets the whole game taken off the air.

Regards

S

its not milking anything from anyone 

long ago i had a friend who played magic ccg and let me tell ya he spend thousands of dollars on cards trust me wotc didint milk anything from him

no one comes to swg players homes and makes them buy cards its a choise

just like no one from blizzard forces anyone to buy their ccg

so again you can call me a troll or what ever you like

fact remains stop being hypocrites unless your all prepared to start posting on the wow forums here crying how you didnt get a loot card and its against the law cause its a lottery your nothing more then soe haters

and for the record i played swg from way back it was fun yes but no it wasnt the end all be all game

 edited cause you shouldnt post after argueing with comcast for 15 mins