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Originally posted by Copeland

 

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Originally posted by bluesession
People are saying MMOs last longer than other games, but thats just because they dilute content through level-grind.
Its like going to a bar, paying 15 dollars for a gyn tonic and find that the gyn has been waterd down.
 
I think people are forgeting about property. Its like the blue rays, you don't buy the disk, you just "rent" the tecnology from sony
Just think about it, you have already paid for the game box, the same amount you could have payed for any single player game, but after the first month you have yo continue paying if you wan't to playing. Why did you have to pay for the box then? Its not like you can continue playing ofline, neither you can start your own server (like with neverwinter)
 
Also, i remember back then, when WoW was about to be released many people thought that paying monthly for an game was insane. To counter this WoW promised an "evolving" world (it was in the box) in which content would be added on a regular basis, still most of WoW patches have been to adress balance issues, which should have been fixed from the beginning. (for the 1º year there wasn't really new content added and after that, only a camp here and there where added)
 
It should be worth mentioning LOTRO, which is kinda faithfull to its players and has expanded with many new features that didn't ask for extra money, like housing or being able to dress as you like.
 
Its funny how in this modern times companies can screw their customers demanding more and more from them and striping them from the rights of owning what they have paid for, and people is still happy to accept the companies terms, instead of rising against them claming that, after all "The customer is always right".
 

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No.. i buy the blu-ray discs then download the movies and burn them myself.. i own them usually just after they hit the big screen :)

Seriously at $10 a ticket they are asking for it... nay begging for it.

I prefer getting them a week or so BEFORE they hit the big screen, myself.

Originally posted by Beatnik59

I agree with the OP: MMOs are complete rip offs.

Let's compare the costs of a typical MMO game versus the costs of a game that has a high degree of replayability:

Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided $50x2= $100
Jump to Lightspeed $30x2= $60
Rage of the Wookiees $30x2= $60
Subs account 1: 27mox$15= $405
Subs account 2: 24mox$15= $360
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Total: $885

Compare that with Sim City IV, which I purchased a few months earlier:
Sim City IV: $50
Rush Hour: $30
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Total: $80
 

Or a game I purchased after SWG:

Rome: Total War: $50

Barbarian Invasion: $30

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Total: $80

These games are just as good to play and as challenging as when I bought them.  SWG, however, was changeed against my will into something I don't even know how to play anymore.  So I paid ten times the price for my SWG experience as I did for my Sim City IV or Rome: Total War experience, but got less than half of the amount of play value out of SWG, because of the MMO developers need to mess with my software.

Value is indeed subjective, but the shelf life of the software is not.  MMOs are by their nature short lived, because once the publisher quits supporting the game, the software is useless.  I'm sure Tabula Rasa fans or Asheron's Call II fans would love to keep on playing the games they enjoy, but this isn't within their power to decide.  Just think about how much money they could save if they found a game they could enjoy for just as long of a time for just the box price?

So, in short, MMOs are indeed a ripoff, because you pay a lot more for this version of computer entertainment, and have absolutely no say when or if it will be continually available for your enjoyment.  You pay much more, and get much less say over what you get.

Why don't you and the OP quit MMO then?

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid 

Right...........

However if you're a "gamer" then youw ill be buying all the other games so the whole it saves you money argument doesn't hold up. If I'm going to be paying a monthly sub then I expect that to include services like character transfers and expansions/content for free. What pisses me off again is when they feel the need to add in micro transactions and in game advertising even though we're paying for all the other stuff.


So really;

- One paid subscription where everythign else is free

Or

- Subscription free but make us pay for all the other stuff.



Currently everyones being ripped off because they do all of them at the same time.

I also find the argument of having 30 days of entertainment funny because really you don't play each and every day cause not only does that make for a sad life but it's impossible. Also I could play Left 4 Dead for the same amount of time as an mmorpg and I'm not being charged anything and when new content comes out I wont be charged for that too. Yet oh look L4D has given me more value for money than any movie or whatever so :S I think that argument is abit dumb.

I could play The Helicopter game for 30 days and thats free.

I agree, I don't mind paying a monthly subscription but things like xpacks / limited character transfers and such should be free.  I will not play a game that has micro transactions or advertising if it also has monthly sub.

The main reason I stopped playing WoW was because I thought that it was no longer value for money and that they were milking it bit more than what is acceptable.

Originally posted by Copeland

 

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Originally posted by bluesession
People are saying MMOs last longer than other games, but thats just because they dilute content through level-grind.
Its like going to a bar, paying 15 dollars for a gyn tonic and find that the gyn has been waterd down.
 
I think people are forgeting about property. Its like the blue rays, you don't buy the disk, you just "rent" the tecnology from sony
Just think about it, you have already paid for the game box, the same amount you could have payed for any single player game, but after the first month you have yo continue paying if you wan't to playing. Why did you have to pay for the box then? Its not like you can continue playing ofline, neither you can start your own server (like with neverwinter)
 
Also, i remember back then, when WoW was about to be released many people thought that paying monthly for an game was insane. To counter this WoW promised an "evolving" world (it was in the box) in which content would be added on a regular basis, still most of WoW patches have been to adress balance issues, which should have been fixed from the beginning. (for the 1º year there wasn't really new content added and after that, only a camp here and there where added)
 
It should be worth mentioning LOTRO, which is kinda faithfull to its players and has expanded with many new features that didn't ask for extra money, like housing or being able to dress as you like.
 
Its funny how in this modern times companies can screw their customers demanding more and more from them and striping them from the rights of owning what they have paid for, and people is still happy to accept the companies terms, instead of rising against them claming that, after all "The customer is always right".
 

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No.. i buy the blu-ray discs then download the movies and burn them myself.. i own them usually just after they hit the big screen :)

Seriously at $10 a ticket they are asking for it... nay begging for it.

No, you are a criminal, has nothing to do with what they charge for them.

But that's not the topic of this thread so I won't derail it.

Originally posted by bluesession

People are saying MMOs last longer than other games, but thats just because they dilute content through level-grind.

Its like going to a bar, paying 15 dollars for a gyn tonic and find that the gyn has been waterd down.

 

I think people are forgeting about property. Its like the blue rays, you don't buy the disk, you just "rent" the tecnology from sony

Just think about it, you have already paid for the game box, the same amount you could have payed for any single player game, but after the first month you have yo continue paying if you wan't to playing. Why did you have to pay for the box then? Its not like you can continue playing ofline, neither you can start your own server (like with neverwinter)

 

Also, i remember back then, when WoW was about to be released many people thought that paying monthly for an game was insane. To counter this WoW promised an "evolving" world (it was in the box) in which content would be added on a regular basis, still most of WoW patches have been to adress balance issues, which should have been fixed from the beginning. (for the 1º year there wasn't really new content added and after that, only a camp here and there where added)

 

It should be worth mentioning LOTRO, which is kinda faithfull to its players and has expanded with many new features that didn't ask for extra money, like housing or being able to dress as you like.

 

Its funny how in this modern times companies can screw their customers demanding more and more from them and striping them from the rights of owning what they have paid for, and people is still happy to accept the companies terms, instead of rising against them claming that, after all "The customer is always right".

 

The MMO subscription fee is just like paying for any other service. The initial box sale is to have access to that service in the first place. Kind of like when you have to buy a cell phone and then later pay a service fee to actually use it. Using your own logic why do I have to keep paying to use my phone? I already payed for the phone but it's useless unless I keep paying them.

MMO's are services and the way I see it you are paying for the service for how it is NOW. You aren't paying for how it was or is going to be. So just like any other service, if I feel unsatisfied with it I can cancel it. It's not like the developers have the costumer by the balls and are forcing them to play their product.

The other thing your paying for is to have active GMs...they aren't volunteers.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Copeland

 

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Originally posted by bluesession
People are saying MMOs last longer than other games, but thats just because they dilute content through level-grind.
Its like going to a bar, paying 15 dollars for a gyn tonic and find that the gyn has been waterd down.
 
I think people are forgeting about property. Its like the blue rays, you don't buy the disk, you just "rent" the tecnology from sony
Just think about it, you have already paid for the game box, the same amount you could have payed for any single player game, but after the first month you have yo continue paying if you wan't to playing. Why did you have to pay for the box then? Its not like you can continue playing ofline, neither you can start your own server (like with neverwinter)
 
Also, i remember back then, when WoW was about to be released many people thought that paying monthly for an game was insane. To counter this WoW promised an "evolving" world (it was in the box) in which content would be added on a regular basis, still most of WoW patches have been to adress balance issues, which should have been fixed from the beginning. (for the 1º year there wasn't really new content added and after that, only a camp here and there where added)
 
It should be worth mentioning LOTRO, which is kinda faithfull to its players and has expanded with many new features that didn't ask for extra money, like housing or being able to dress as you like.
 
Its funny how in this modern times companies can screw their customers demanding more and more from them and striping them from the rights of owning what they have paid for, and people is still happy to accept the companies terms, instead of rising against them claming that, after all "The customer is always right".
 

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No.. i buy the blu-ray discs then download the movies and burn them myself.. i own them usually just after they hit the big screen :)

Seriously at $10 a ticket they are asking for it... nay begging for it.

 

No, you are a criminal, has nothing to do with what they charge for them.

But that's not the topic of this thread so I won't derail it.

 

What a joke. Torrents are sharing, and I'm allowed to share my payed product to others on however I feel like. You are the criminal that is infringing on my rights as a consumer, good riddance trash.