Lord of the Rings Online

Ok one thing I have to ask. And please, OP answer this:

You said in your first post 'Give it three months'

Your asking me to pay 3 months subs BEFORE I enjoy the game?

I really want to get into this game, I do, but if the first three months, which are presumably long enough for a hardcore gamer to reach endgame in, are boring or non-immersive, why should I, ro for that matter anyone play this game?

Just pointing out a flaw in your argument. Please give me reasons to stay those three months.

Originally posted by WeaponX

Yea come play a game with NO replay once you thru everything with one char you have to run thru the same stuff all over again with no way about it. NO Thanks I haveing alt chars to do stuff that my other's have not done.

There are tons of avenues for advancement, and replay ability. There is no way anyone COULD do all the content in this game with one character. I mean, I suppose you could continually do grey things, just because........ if that’s your thing, hay, go for it.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Jackdog

deleted  bah not worth repeating. People here can only think in terms of absolute good or absolute bad

 

Again, all choices, for you it seems you have to keep up with the joneses. And once again, no one is talking about the game in black and white; no one said it was perfect. But you keep saying we are, so it must be true.

Trait sets are still NOT trees.

 

you don't seem to get it dude the only choice is to gimp your character to where he/she is unplayable or follow the one line. That is not much of a choice if you ask me. That is the life of a minstel right now . Trait out in Warrior Skald or live with a orange morale bar, getting killed by mobs two and three levels lower. I could handle it if I traited out as a dedicated healer and could at least survive a battle with a yellow con mob or a pair of whites.

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Jackdog

deleted  bah not worth repeating. People here can only think in terms of absolute good or absolute bad

 

Again, all choices, for you it seems you have to keep up with the joneses. And once again, no one is talking about the game in black and white; no one said it was perfect. But you keep saying we are, so it must be true.

Trait sets are still NOT trees.

 

you don't seem to get it dude the only choice is to gimp your character to where he/she is unplayable or follow the one line. That is not much of a choice if you ask me. That is the life of a minstel right now . Trait out in Warrior Skald or live with a orange morale bar, getting killed by mobs two and three levels lower

That’s also based on your opinion and goals. But i am not seeing it with the classes i play. In fact I have been given MORE Varity in customization of my toon than before. I can equip any trait I want, doesn’t matter. I can use a set, or not.

It is your personal opinion and preferences that you use that set, and that not using it "gimps you". You are choosing to be a “cookie cutter”…and that, is also, optional.

Your using your personal gripe (that was a choice BTW) to blanket an entire system.

Tell me, what do you get with that "Orange bar of moral"? becouse it was a choice, and i bet for some people, it would be just what they want.

Originally posted by Pabswikk

Ok one thing I have to ask. And please, OP answer this:

You said in your first post 'Give it three months'

Your asking me to pay 3 months subs BEFORE I enjoy the game?

I really want to get into this game, I do, but if the first three months, which are presumably long enough for a hardcore gamer to reach endgame in, are boring or non-immersive, why should I, ro for that matter anyone play this game?

Just pointing out a flaw in your argument. Please give me reasons to stay those three months.

I will give you a coiupe of reasons

#1 90% plus of the game is outstanding as it stands right now . Even with the warts it is the best PvE game on the market

#2  would be surprised if it takes even a full month to reapir the less than 10% that I think has issues. Turbine has a history of fixing their screwup pretty fast.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Jackdog

deleted  bah not worth repeating. People here can only think in terms of absolute good or absolute bad

 

Again, all choices, for you it seems you have to keep up with the joneses. And once again, no one is talking about the game in black and white; no one said it was perfect. But you keep saying we are, so it must be true.

Trait sets are still NOT trees.

 

you don't seem to get it dude the only choice is to gimp your character to where he/she is unplayable or follow the one line. That is not much of a choice if you ask me. That is the life of a minstel right now . Trait out in Warrior Skald or live with a orange morale bar, getting killed by mobs two and three levels lower

 

That’s also based on your opinion and goals. But i am not seeing it with the classes i play. In fact I have been given MORE Varity in customization of my toon than before. I can equip any trait I want, doesn’t matter. I can use a set, or not.

 

It is your personal opinion and preferences that you use that set, and that not using it "gimps you". You are choosing to be a “cookie cutter”…and that, is also, optional.

 

 

No dude that is based onthe opinion of at least 7 lvl 50+ minnies inmy kinship and all the dissatisfied minstrels over on the boards. Like I said you can either be a cookie cutter or a failure. that is the choices tright now for a minstrel. Even Turbine has admitted that and we are getting a first batch of fixes inthe first patch, too bad the  fanboys can't seem to realize that a patch would not be needed if Turbine thought all was perfect..

So like you said I am going to follow the crowd and not gimp my toon, because spending all my silver repairing is not fun at all. Too bad the minstrel Dev seems to think there is only one way to play a minnie effectively. I sure liked it a lot better when they gave me some reasonable choices in how I played.

Originally posted by Jackdog

deleted  bah not worth repeating. People here can only think in terms of absolute good or absolute bad.

But yes the trait sets do force people into cookie cutter molds. It was a good idea on paper but in practice the old ways was better. Right now some of the classes have one effective way to go and two really bad paths and mixing and matching traits will gimp your toon to where it is unplayable. Give me three effective trait lines and I would be happy, and/ or let me mix and match from all 3 and still be a effective player.

 

Think your right for certain dps and minstrel classes, but for other roles ,like tanks, there is a lot more flexibility in the system. I defeinitely have more traits I can use, so the combination is pretty overwhelming. I've not looked online for trait help and just with the flow

Originally posted by Jackdog

 

No dude that is based onthe opinion of at least 7 lvl 50+ minnies inmy kinship and all the dissatisfied minstrels over on the boards. Like I said you can either be a cookie cutter or a failure. that is the choices tright now for a minstrel. Even Turbine has admitted that and we are getting a first batch of fixes inthe first patch, too bad the  fanboys can't seem to realize that a patch would not be needed if Turbine thought all was perfect..

So like you said I am going to follow the crowd and not gimp my toon, because spending all my silver repairing is not fun at all. Too bad the minstrel Dev seems to think there is only one way to play a minnie effectively. I sure liked it a lot better when they gave me some reasonable choices in how I played.

Here you go:

I am not good with numbers so I can not really comment on things from that side...HOWEVER -

First two days of Moria Ive found things to not be THAT much different, I did book 1 vol 2 all the way through, completed my first and second legenday quests, got my legendary club to level 10 and reforged, started book 15, WOULD be level 51 but the server went down (1 bub away!) and I have soloed much of it except for my time with Rhianna (thanks Rhi!)

I can still easily take on even cons in multiples

I can and did take on two level 50 Sigs at the same time and won, however it took a bit more time then usual and liberal use of healing.

I can and did solo level 52s with no real problem, just a lil more time and tactics.

One very important thing for us Minstrels! It use to be that you could just spam off ballads however you like, now (and i like this) you should play them in tiered order as often as you can and keep them up as much as you can, this seems to affect combat alot more then it used to. Use the right ballads in the right situation.

All in all, Ive been through ALOT of MMOs and class changes, you only have two options.... adjust or not play the class and above all else dont listen to the whiners...productive criticism is great! But "Well, our class is broken, it SUX now and Im not playing it anymore until they fix it!" is a useless post and not worth your time!

and the following:

Last night while exploring Moria a bit I ran across a named, level 51(52?) Named Elite with about 14,000 health. It took a little longer then usual but I did solo him, my reward was a Mithril Flake (new tier 6 shard)

Point being, Minstrels may not kill AS FAST as we used to but one on one with big mobs/named (our specality) we still do quite well.

Those are my kinship leaders responses to the Minstrel complaints in a thread on our boards.  To give you an idea he is level 56 or 57 now and has only ever played a Minstrel.  No alts at all.