EVE Online

Sorry for the long post

So after reading bunch of the threads here I got the impression that everything thats cool happens in 0,0 and there's no best time to wait, just head out when you can afford to loose the ship you're in. 

So I look at the starmap and try to find the closest 0.0 system to me, set destination and off I go.  The good news is that I didn't get ganked as soon as I got to 0.0 space, in fact the system was empty, so I jumped around a bit, nobody anywhere. so I find a low sec system and go to the station, grab a mission with a +19 rating.  Awesome I think  to myself, this should be fun.  Well a short time later I get an invite to fleet, being a newbie I thought maybe it was someone being nice and wanting to help out, nope....ganked.  He tells me afterwards he did it to teach me a lesson and that I should go back to high sec space. He knew I was in the area because I had been asking questions in the rookie channel, so he purposely went out of his way to "teach me a lesson".  I would have been just fine on that mission if he hadn't shown up.  So the lesson I learnt was "There's a--holes in EVE." 

No surpise, there's dicks in every MMO.  So I buy a shuttle and start on my way back to high sec.  I got ganked and podkilled on the second stargate in my route.  All this accomplished was sending me back to high sec a lot faster with a loss of 50K ISK for the shuttle.

I'm not scared of PvP, I played on Rallos Zek back in the early days of EQ and can take the hits, the question I have though is at what point can I come back and make them pay?  In EQ I'd get my guild and we'd go corpse camp the a--holes until they quit.  What can you do to piss off the griefers in EVE?

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What can you do to piss off the griefers in EVE?

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I prefer to humihilate them, kill them, and set up a contract with their corpse inside.

Btw. did you learn your lesson? Never accept ganginvites from strangers. Ever. Don't warp directly to gates in lowsec if there are a few people there, don't disclose your location in public chats. Don't just go out to 0.0 without first making sure you're friends with the locals, stay aligned in lowsec while you run missions, learn how to operate the directional scanner, don't trust people you don't know well, don't assume anyone wants to do something nice to you, and don't smacktalk.

Piss them off? Not much. People in null-space have fairly thick hides and the loss of a ship is simply a trip to the clone vat and a pod-ride to the nearest ship storage.

Which is a hard thing to learn when you're new.

You won't really be able to 'even the score' with these folks until you're in a low/nul-space corp/alliance and have 4-5 million SP in your racial frigate and racial weapons or tackling gear.

I find that 'friending' the real ass-hats is a wise thing to do. Yes, I said 'friend' them - this way when they log on, you get a notice.

Realize that 0.0 is actually far safer than low-sec. 0.0 is usually owned by someone and most don't have a "red=dead" policy so you'll be asked what you're doing there and usually asked to either talk to so-and-so to get set blue or leave.

Low sec is where the lone wolves hang out... Too lawless for 0.0 corps and to hungry for empire. These are the guys who will just shoot at you because you're there.

Originally posted by gnat76

Sorry for the long post

 

So after reading bunch of the threads here I got the impression that everything thats cool happens in 0,0 and there's no best time to wait, just head out when you can afford to loose the ship you're in. 

So I look at the starmap and try to find the closest 0.0 system to me, set destination and off I go.  The good news is that I didn't get ganked as soon as I got to 0.0 space, in fact the system was empty, so I jumped around a bit, nobody anywhere. so I find a low sec system and go to the station, grab a mission with a +19 rating.  Awesome I think  to myself, this should be fun.  Well a short time later I get an invite to fleet, being a newbie I thought maybe it was someone being nice and wanting to help out, nope....ganked.  He tells me afterwards he did it to teach me a lesson and that I should go back to high sec space. He knew I was in the area because I had been asking questions in the rookie channel, so he purposely went out of his way to "teach me a lesson".  I would have been just fine on that mission if he hadn't shown up.  So the lesson I learnt was "There's a--holes in EVE." 

No surpise, there's dicks in every MMO.  So I buy a shuttle and start on my way back to high sec.  I got ganked and podkilled on the second stargate in my route.  All this accomplished was sending me back to high sec a lot faster with a loss of 50K ISK for the shuttle.

I'm not scared of PvP, I played on Rallos Zek back in the early days of EQ and can take the hits, the question I have though is at what point can I come back and make them pay?  In EQ I'd get my guild and we'd go corpse camp the a--holes until they quit.  What can you do to piss off the griefers in EVE?

 

 

Nothing really.  Anyone who engages  in pvp isn't to worried about loosing ships.  Sorry for your loss. There will always be dipshits ready to take advantage of you if you let them.     

Don't trust NO ONE. Not even corps mates untill you get established within the corp.  Only exception would be if you know the people in RL or met them in another game.   

try heading out to providence, its inhabited by a big alliance who dont shoot unless you shoot first and they rapidly throw up massive gangs to defend their space from hostiles.

or try npc 0.0 like curse, where there are npc stations to hide in... ratting in curse is folly, because everyone is just there to shoot each other.

There's an old saying- "the best revenge is living well..."

This is very true in eve.  If you want to annoy griefers, learn how to basically go about your business as if they weren't there.  Ignoring them drives them insane, most of them live for hate mail, angry outbursts, etc.  Luckily with careful planning and good understanding of game mechanics you can avoid 99% of the sitiuations that get you killed.

First thing I tell people in Eve: always assume someone is trying to kill you, trap you, or scam you until you know different, and even then maintain a bit of suspicion.

One of the things that makes Eve great is that CCP doesn't impose any moral framework.. people can be as evil or as noble as they want to within game mechanics.  You wanna get rich being a sleazy scammer? You can.  Wanna take advantage of the naive for fun and profit? Go for it.  The great thing (for me) is that, as a result of this moral freedom, being a good guy is HARDER... and succeeding in Eve while holding yourself to a different standard is truly rewarding.

That's just the way I like to play the game.  Thank god for all the pirates, scammers, griefers and NBSI corps in eve... without them the game would be boring as hell and the economy would die in a matter of weeks.

If you really want to start engaging in PVP as early as possible, or at least like to live with a bit of risk thrown in (as I assume from the fact that you went to 0.0 and low-sec deliberately), try joining a PVP corp that operates in the area. It may take a bit of looking to find a corp that'll take a new guy, but once you're in, they should be able to teach you the basics and give some pretty nifty support while you're at it, too.

Only problem is you'll also have to prove that you're interested, and not a complete dimwit, but judging from your OP, that shouldn't be a problem.

BTW, the guy who invited you to a fleet and ganked you was doing your a favor. Not a very nice one, but a favor nonetheless. If all you lost was a couple hundred k ISK, you got off light. My first sojourn to 0.0, I lost a fully (but poorly) fitted battlecruiser, a long, long time ago.

Just fly safe, and good hunting.

Originally posted by Enkindu

There's an old saying- "the best revenge is living well..."

This is very true in eve.  If you want to annoy griefers, learn how to basically go about your business as if they weren't there.  Ignoring them drives them insane, most of them live for hate mail, angry outbursts, etc.  Luckily with careful planning and good understanding of game mechanics you can avoid 99% of the sitiuations that get you killed.

First thing I tell people in Eve: always assume someone is trying to kill you, trap you, or scam you until you know different, and even then maintain a bit of suspicion.

One of the things that makes Eve great is that CCP doesn't impose any moral framework.. people can be as evil or as noble as they want to within game mechanics.  You wanna get rich being a sleazy scammer? You can.  Wanna take advantage of the naive for fun and profit? Go for it.  The great thing (for me) is that, as a result of this moral freedom, being a good guy is HARDER... and succeeding in Eve while holding yourself to a different standard is truly rewarding.

That's just the way I like to play the game.  Thank god for all the pirates, scammers, griefers and NBSI corps in eve... without them the game would be boring as hell and the economy would die in a matter of weeks.

Great post

Thanks for the replies.  Yes I do like a little risk, this probably goes back to my favorite MMO gaming time back on Rallos Zek in EQ.  Then it was doing the same quests the carebears were doing but also watching my back from other players.  It forced the game to take on another dimension you don't get in most MMO's, a real community.  There was nothing like the satisfaction of killing the griefer, not just based on skill but because you made friends.  When you grouped with someone back then you started to trust them and that trust created some of the longest lasting/strongest ties I've ever had in an MMO.

I see Eve as having the potentional to recreate that same feeling where by being the good