Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Atheenah

Im an old Star Wars fan, probably older than most of you. Having played most SW games, i really looked forward to this.

But as more and more became known, i had a bad feeling of it all. Still, i pre-ordered as soon as i could.

After playing about 3 weeks, i just couldnt stand it any more. It wasnt Star Wars, it was to linear and there were lots of reasons i quit. Now i look to alternatives, but it will take a while before anything good comes out, im afraid.

 

Have you considered that MMORPG's just aren't for you? There is a list of dozens and dozens of them on the left margin of this page.

MMORPGs aren't for you but here's a list of them? Doesn't make any sense, but neither does that old, tired argument.

The fact is, it's the crappy MMORPGs that aren't for us. We just demand more in our games, others are more easily entertained.

the point of the list was to suggest that if he can't find one to play and enjoy then this genre isn't to his liking. Simples, no? Same applies to you, it really aint a hard concept to grasp... But hey, some people pick up these things easier than others.

It is pretty simple, you tell someone that MMORPGs aren't for them and then you offer them a list of more, makes no sense. But that's what happens when you take these discussions so personal. It's the game that's being judged, not you.

i've highlighted the the sentences in red for you, and just incase;

 

"it will take a while for anything good to come out"  suggesting that there is nothing good to play in mmorpg land.

if there is nothing worth playing from the entire mmorpg offering then mmorpgs aint his thing. 

 

I'm not concerned with wether people enjoy TOR or not, but whining about being disappointed, like one poster here, because you bought the game despite knowing it would be quest heavy and admitting to HATING questing is .... well, absurd.

 

I hate, HATE beans but as they were bioware beans I thought i'd like them... I'm so disappointed. I must post on the forums that bioware beens are horrible.

So, it's your opinion that people shoudn't be critical of SWTOR because you consider it whining? They're not allowed to voice their opinion of disapproval and should just keep it to theirselves? Should opinions that mesh with yours be the only valid posts allowed here?

C'mon already, it's a public forum where gamers are allowed to voice their opinions in a respectful manner without fear of forum gestapo censoring their every word. Get over it.

they are free to say what they like, enjoyment is subjective. Saying you were disappointed by something you bought that was filled to the brim with features you "HATE" is rather silly, don't you think?

I honestly have no issue with genuine dislike of any game, but if you are going to tell others about it don't be suprised if others discount you when you make stupid comments.

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Atheenah

Im an old Star Wars fan, probably older than most of you. Having played most SW games, i really looked forward to this.

But as more and more became known, i had a bad feeling of it all. Still, i pre-ordered as soon as i could.

After playing about 3 weeks, i just couldnt stand it any more. It wasnt Star Wars, it was to linear and there were lots of reasons i quit. Now i look to alternatives, but it will take a while before anything good comes out, im afraid.

 

Have you considered that MMORPG's just aren't for you? There is a list of dozens and dozens of them on the left margin of this page.

MMORPGs aren't for you but here's a list of them? Doesn't make any sense, but neither does that old, tired argument.

The fact is, it's the crappy MMORPGs that aren't for us. We just demand more in our games, others are more easily entertained.

the point of the list was to suggest that if he can't find one to play and enjoy then this genre isn't to his liking. Simples, no? Same applies to you, it really aint a hard concept to grasp... But hey, some people pick up these things easier than others.

It is pretty simple, you tell someone that MMORPGs aren't for them and then you offer them a list of more, makes no sense. But that's what happens when you take these discussions so personal. It's the game that's being judged, not you.

i've highlighted the the sentences in red for you, and just incase;

 

"it will take a while for anything good to come out"  suggesting that there is nothing good to play in mmorpg land.

if there is nothing worth playing from the entire mmorpg offering then mmorpgs aint his thing. 

 

I'm not concerned with wether people enjoy TOR or not, but whining about being disappointed, like one poster here, because you bought the game despite knowing it would be quest heavy and admitting to HATING questing is .... well, absurd.

 

I hate, HATE beans but as they were bioware beans I thought i'd like them... I'm so disappointed. I must post on the forums that bioware beens are horrible.

So, it's your opinion that people shoudn't be critical of SWTOR because you consider it whining? They're not allowed to voice their opinion of disapproval and should just keep it to theirselves? Should opinions that mesh with yours be the only valid posts allowed here?

C'mon already, it's a public forum where gamers are allowed to voice their opinions in a respectful manner without fear of forum gestapo censoring their every word. Get over it.

they are free to say what they like, enjoyment is subjective. Saying you were disappointed by something you bought that was filled to the brim with features you "HATE" is rather silly, don't you think?

 

I honestly have no issue with genuine dislike of any game, but if you are going to tell others about it don't be suprised if others discount you when you make stupid comments.

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Kyleran

I will say my son's friend who really likes SWTOR has suddenly picked up WOW once again, and his reasoning is that now that he's level 50, and actually decently geared there isn't much of interest for him to do for now.

So his theory is go sit in Stormwind or Org for the next 7 months waiting for Pandaland while throwing money at Blizzard monthly for hotfixes and no new content? His logic really escapes me, but that is typical when talking about WoW players.

 

WoW players do not exactly have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to criticizng TOR.

This^

Also, why did he bother gearing up if he wasn't going to use that gear? This is part of the issue with mmorpgs these days, many players just gear up so they can flex nuts while afk'ing in a social hub.

Remember the days when players would gear up in order to benefit the guild they were in as a whole? Well, those days still exist for some of us. Taking the time to gear up and then quitting, instead of supporting your guild and helping gear up the other members is the very essence of selfishness.

Population hasn't declined on my server at all, how odd...

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Atheenah

Im an old Star Wars fan, probably older than most of you. Having played most SW games, i really looked forward to this.

But as more and more became known, i had a bad feeling of it all. Still, i pre-ordered as soon as i could.

After playing about 3 weeks, i just couldnt stand it any more. It wasnt Star Wars, it was to linear and there were lots of reasons i quit. Now i look to alternatives, but it will take a while before anything good comes out, im afraid.

 

Have you considered that MMORPG's just aren't for you? There is a list of dozens and dozens of them on the left margin of this page.

MMORPGs aren't for you but here's a list of them? Doesn't make any sense, but neither does that old, tired argument.

The fact is, it's the crappy MMORPGs that aren't for us. We just demand more in our games, others are more easily entertained.

the point of the list was to suggest that if he can't find one to play and enjoy then this genre isn't to his liking. Simples, no? Same applies to you, it really aint a hard concept to grasp... But hey, some people pick up these things easier than others.

It is pretty simple, you tell someone that MMORPGs aren't for them and then you offer them a list of more, makes no sense. But that's what happens when you take these discussions so personal. It's the game that's being judged, not you.

i've highlighted the the sentences in red for you, and just incase;

 

"it will take a while for anything good to come out"  suggesting that there is nothing good to play in mmorpg land.

if there is nothing worth playing from the entire mmorpg offering then mmorpgs aint his thing. 

 

I'm not concerned with wether people enjoy TOR or not, but whining about being disappointed, like one poster here, because you bought the game despite knowing it would be quest heavy and admitting to HATING questing is .... well, absurd.

 

I hate, HATE beans but as they were bioware beans I thought i'd like them... I'm so disappointed. I must post on the forums that bioware beens are horrible.

So, it's your opinion that people shoudn't be critical of SWTOR because you consider it whining? They're not allowed to voice their opinion of disapproval and should just keep it to theirselves? Should opinions that mesh with yours be the only valid posts allowed here?

C'mon already, it's a public forum where gamers are allowed to voice their opinions in a respectful manner without fear of forum gestapo censoring their every word. Get over it.

they are free to say what they like, enjoyment is subjective. Saying you were disappointed by something you bought that was filled to the brim with features you "HATE" is rather silly, don't you think?

 

I honestly have no issue with genuine dislike of any game, but if you are going to tell others about it don't be suprised if others discount you when you make stupid comments.

No, I don't think it's silly at all. In fact, it's one of the main reasons I value this site.

I've saved a lot of money by coming here and reading similar posts and I'm glad they posted without fear of finger-pointing and mob-stoning.

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Kyleran

I will say my son's friend who really likes SWTOR has suddenly picked up WOW once again, and his reasoning is that now that he's level 50, and actually decently geared there isn't much of interest for him to do for now.

So his theory is go sit in Stormwind or Org for the next 7 months waiting for Pandaland while throwing money at Blizzard monthly for hotfixes and no new content? His logic really escapes me, but that is typical when talking about WoW players.

 

WoW players do not exactly have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to criticizng TOR.

This^

Also, why did he bother gearing up if he wasn't going to use that gear? This is part of the issue with mmorpgs these days, many players just gear up so they can flex nuts while afk'ing in a social hub.

Remember the days when players would gear up in order to benefit the guild they were in as a whole? Well, those days still exist for some of us. Taking the time to gear up and then quitting, instead of supporting your guild and helping gear up the other members is the very essence of selfishness.

Population hasn't declined on my server at all, how odd...

It's often that there is nothing to do endgame.  There is no reason other than raiding and some limited pvp to do anything but afk in social hub.  Helping guildies is one thing, but nothing like eve online has endgame.

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Kyleran

I will say my son's friend who really likes SWTOR has suddenly picked up WOW once again, and his reasoning is that now that he's level 50, and actually decently geared there isn't much of interest for him to do for now.

So his theory is go sit in Stormwind or Org for the next 7 months waiting for Pandaland while throwing money at Blizzard monthly for hotfixes and no new content? His logic really escapes me, but that is typical when talking about WoW players.

 

WoW players do not exactly have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to criticizng TOR.

This^

Also, why did he bother gearing up if he wasn't going to use that gear? This is part of the issue with mmorpgs these days, many players just gear up so they can flex nuts while afk'ing in a social hub.

Remember the days when players would gear up in order to benefit the guild they were in as a whole? Well, those days still exist for some of us. Taking the time to gear up and then quitting, instead of supporting your guild and helping gear up the other members is the very essence of selfishness.

Population hasn't declined on my server at all, how odd...

Im not a WoW player.. Im the ORIGINAL MMO PLAYER....what I hate about TOR list. I did not buy the game for obvious reasons

1. Instancing

2. Battlegrounds

3. Usless Crafting

4. Broken economay.. item inflation.. lack of any kind of economay game that a game like EvE offers

5. Way to easy to level

6. Not enough grind

7. STORY

8. No guild suport, no guild bank at release, no guild tools

9. Factions

10. Class system

11. No open world

12. No flying in space, only on rails

13. single player friendly

14. Raids

15. The fact that if its a success we have to put up with these Types of clone games for another decade or so. And I might aswell pay EVE/CCP for 50 years worth of subsa and plan my funeral plot ingame.. Because I probably have to play it untill I die, because nothing new that caters to my playstyle will ever be made....

I basically  hate the whole game, what it stands for and what a sell out it is.. catering to MONEY and not to make a decent Innvoating game that Try to be something new and diffrent. Worst thing is that there are so many of you playing it.. I really have no clue about what you are thinking... Or how this game can be anny fun whatsoever...

TERA atlest has a new combat system and alot of GUILD tools, its far from perfect, but at some point Im going to have to give a new game atleast a chans.. It has a political system no Factions, working economay etc so, I have to rise above it all and deal with the fact the game has Instancing and Raids etc... But atleast its closer to my own vision of a good mmo Then what SWTOR will ever be......

hoo I forgot

16 No decent death penelties, just respawn and get back in there.. LOL how boring..

I am sure lots of people enjoy SWTOR.  However that being said by all indications the player population on most servers is dropping.  This is not good news for EA as it appears the player base stopped growing beyond the launch +30 day period and as a result of is going to be no where close to what EA promised to investors on subs.  NA/EURO retention numbers will be interesting to see in April when EA reports.  I wonder if they are going to seperate out NA/EURO subs and ones they pick up for the Asia release. 

If you enjoy the game then this really should not matter to you at all just go have fun, no game is made for everyone and what is being discussed really should not matter to you.   It should matter to those who invested in EA and I can tell you they are not going to be very happy based on what EA promised on return on investment.  Remember this is not about breaking even, or making some profit, or that having 750kish subs is still a "success" based on that number.  They sold investors on a large return, and millons of sub for more than a year.  This does not appear a very likely with how the game has been received by the overall gaming community.

Originally posted by Timeout77

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Kyleran

I will say my son's friend who really likes SWTOR has suddenly picked up WOW once again, and his reasoning is that now that he's level 50, and actually decently geared there isn't much of interest for him to do for now.

So his theory is go sit in Stormwind or Org for the next 7 months waiting for Pandaland while throwing money at Blizzard monthly for hotfixes and no new content? His logic really escapes me, but that is typical when talking about WoW players.

 

WoW players do not exactly have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to criticizng TOR.

This^

Also, why did he bother gearing up if he wasn't going to use that gear? This is part of the issue with mmorpgs these days, many players just gear up so they can flex nuts while afk'ing in a social hub.

Remember the days when players would gear up in order to benefit the guild they were in as a whole? Well, those days still exist for some of us. Taking the time to gear up and then quitting, instead of supporting your guild and helping gear up the other members is the very essence of selfishness.

Population hasn't declined on my server at all, how odd...

Im not a WoW player.. Im the ORIGINAL MMO PLAYER....what I hate about TOR list. I did not buy the game for obvious reasons

1. Instancing

2. Battlegrounds

3. Usless Crafting

4. Broken economay.. item inflation.. lack of any kind of economay game that a game like EvE offers

5. Way to easy to level

6. Not enough grind

7. STORY

8. No guild suport, no guild bank at release, no guild tools

9. Factions

10. Class system

11. No open world

12. No flying in space, only on rails

13. single player friendly

14. Raids

15. The fact that if its a success we have to put up with these Types of clone games for another decade or so. And I might aswell pay EVE/CCP for 50 years worth of subsa and plan my funeral plot ingame.. Because I probably have to play it untill I die, because nothing new that caters to my playstyle will ever be made....

I basically  hate the whole game, what it stands for and what a sell out it is.. catering to MONEY and not to make a decent Innvoating game that Try to be something new and diffrent. Worst thing is that there are so many of you playing it.. I really have no clue about what you are thinking... Or how this game can be anny fun whatsoever...

TERA atlest has a new combat system and alot of GUILD tools, its far from perfect, but at some point Im going to have to give a new game atleast a chans.. It has a political system no Factions, working economay etc so, I have to rise above it all and deal with the fact the game has Instancing and Raids etc... But atleast its closer to my own vision of a good mmo Then what SWTOR will ever be......

hoo I forgot

16 No decent death penelties, just respawn and get back in there.. LOL how boring..

waiting for the ....hey look you want a sandbox type game and are dissapointed and blah blah blah.. honestly for a themepark game this one is pretty bad. People had such high hopes for this game with such a huge IP and big company creating it. To top if off how many HUGE budget sci-fi mmos have ever come out? this genre is overrun by the fantasy clones and for something with such a big budget and such a great theme behind it to fail this miserably is pathetic. For  them to go into this with the mindset warcraft is what we should aim for in terms of overall gameplay was just a horrible idea in so many ways. Nothing feels like playing a jedi to me. Nothing feels like being a bounty hunter or being a smuggler the game just does not feel like star wars, which to me is the biggest dissapointment of all. When I play this game I feel like I'm playing the same tired game I have been playing forever.

And for people who say just move on why argue about it.. well how many other decent star wars games out there can you play online with your friends? how many good sci-fi ones? you really have very few options in this regard. People wanted this to be more than just a good MMO they wanted a good sci-fi MMO. In the past sci-fi MMO's have been more dissapointments then success at least in my eyes and many of us hoped this game would help break that trend not just continue it...

Originally posted by Twistingfate

For me this is the reason why I wait for reviews to come out before I buy most mmo. I like bioware as a company but its rather sad SWTOR hasnt be as awesome as the IP could have been. They had access to one of the most loved IP of all time. How could they butcher it? xD 

 

Im not a Starwars fan by any means. havent even watched all the movies xD but it cant be denied how popular the IP is haha

Problem I have game site reviews is they never seem to pick up on the problems and just spread praise. 

Like GTA 4 and how they all said it was amazing, then the backlash happened when the public played it and the general opinion was the game was boring.

Originally posted by tixylix

Originally posted by Twistingfate

For me this is the reason why I wait for reviews to come out before I buy most mmo. I like bioware as a company but its rather sad SWTOR hasnt be as awesome as the IP could have been. They had access to one of the most loved IP of all time. How could they butcher it? xD 

 

Im not a Starwars fan by any means. havent even watched all the movies xD but it cant be denied how popular the IP is haha

Problem I have game site reviews is they never seem to pick up on the problems and just spread praise. 

 

Like GTA 4 and how they all said it was amazing, then the backlash happened when the public played it and the general opinion was the game was boring.

GTA 4 was a great game what are you smoking....

With an IP like this they would not have had to make a sanbox...

But why not make the RAID content like okey lets Hit a "deathstar" some of the raiders are fighting in space.. while others land on the ground to diactivate the force field.. Has never been done before?

Why dident they Copy the Racing from film number 4(episode 1)? Make custimizable racers.. you could trim and build engines, build diffrent death contraptions.. Put In a racing Engine for the Racing, Just Instance it. Have other players take bets on it.. and watch the racing on a screen... Have 3 Events per week and in the downtime betwen races people could repair and Refit their Speeders for the next Race... Have a hole crafting Industry around it??

Why not let people be real smugglers and others be bounty hunters trying to catch them??

I can go on and on and on

But with so many things they could have done why did it end up with.. "Watch/listen to cutscene then go kill 10 Rats for tails.... and why did endgame end up being Mouse Wheel? that you run over and over on diffrent dificutlies for Purpul drops?? I personaly dont get it.. Im lost for words at the lack of Innovation this game has brought to the genre... 

Originally posted by Timeout77

Originally posted by tixylix

Originally posted by Twistingfate

For me this is the reason why I wait for reviews to come out before I buy most mmo. I like bioware as a company but its rather sad SWTOR hasnt be as awesome as the IP could have been. They had access to one of the most loved IP of all time. How could they butcher it? xD 

 

Im not a Starwars fan by any means. havent even watched all the movies xD but it cant be denied how popular the IP is haha

Problem I have game site reviews is they never seem to pick up on the problems and just spread praise. 

 

Like GTA 4 and how they all said it was amazing, then the backlash happened when the public played it and the general opinion was the game was boring.

GTA 4 was a great game what are you smoking....

It was boring, the whole date stuff was bad imo, the constant mobile calls were annoying, the story died after the first island and the multiplayer sucked.

SA was much better. [Mod Edit]

Originally posted by Timeout77

With an IP like this they would not have had to make a sanbox...

But why not make the RAID content like okey lets Hit a "deathstar" some of the raiders are fighting in space.. while others land on the ground to diactivate the force field.. Has never been done before?

Why dident they Copy the Racing from film number 4(episode 1)? Make custimizable racers.. you could trim and build engines, build diffrent death contraptions.. Put In a racing Engine for the Racing, Just Instance it. Have other players take bets on it.. and watch the racing on a screen... Have 3 Events per week and in the downtime betwen races people could repair and Refit their Speeders for the next Race... Have a hole crafting Industry around it??

Why not let people be real smugglers and others be bounty hunters trying to catch them??

I can go on and on and on

But with so many things they could have done why did it end up with.. "Watch/listen to cutscene then go kill 10 Rats for tails.... and why did endgame end up being Mouse Wheel? that you run over and over on diffrent dificutlies for Purpul drops?? I personaly dont get it.. Im lost for words at the lack of Innovation this game has brought to the genre... 

Great ideas, and probably doable with a 300 million dollar budget. Unfortunately, Bioware decided that voice work > gameplay and complex features.

SWTOR was a game where they tried to make something new and it blew up in their faces. it happens, with progress we have failure. this is something that NEEDS to happen, now the developers know which route NOT to take.

Face it, SWTOR was not the game that everyone wanted. BioWare doesnt make good games. 

Originally posted by LadyNoh

SWTOR was a game where they tried to make something new and it blew up in their faces. it happens, with progress we have failure. this is something that NEEDS to happen, now the developers know which route NOT to take.

you would think but looking back at failure after failure it's obvious developers don't learn much from past mistakes.

Originally posted by LadyNoh

SWTOR was a game where they tried to make something new and it blew up in their faces. it happens, with progress we have failure. this is something that NEEDS to happen, now the developers know which route NOT to take.

Lets really really hope so.. But with a trail of Free to play subpar themeparks, shouldent they have know allready??? I guess these game still make anough money even with only 2 servers left (cough warhammer online)

Population is actually growing on both servers that I play on. Dark Reaper (Republic) and Harbrginer (Imp).

Hell there are over 100+ people on Dromund Kaas, and a bunch of people asking noob questions. I am in a leveling guild with 50+ active people and most just started the game this week or last.

I know you guys want this game to die so bad it hurts, but its not :)

You guys are right, however you have to find the develpers who are in for it more than just money. bascially the devs who are changing things instead of releaseing the same cookie cutter game over and over. Bioware tried and failed, but atleast they tried. The Secret World and Guild Wars 2 are the next 2 that actually look different, Archage might also be on the list but my research into the game hasnt really come up with enough knowladge into the game to make a verdict.

Originally posted by Monorojo

Population is actually growing on both servers that I play on. Dark Reaper (Republic) and Harbrginer (Imp).

 

Hell there are over 100+ people on Dromund Kaas, and a bunch of people asking noob questions. I am in a leveling guild with 50+ active people and most just started the game this week or last.

 

I know you guys want this game to die so bad it hurts, but its not :)

because people are all abondoning empty servers and moving to fuller ones.. doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/stats click on the change tab.. doesn't look like a game that's booming in new sub's to me