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Lepidus 12/08/06 2:00:31 PM
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David Souza contribues this week's World of Warcraft editorial. Within, he talks about the ups and downs of the end game in World of Warcraft.
The full editorial is here. |
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kovah 12/08/06 2:39:03 PM
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Good read for the most part. Unfortunately, it's nothing we haven't heard/seen/read before. It is also about World of Warcraft which I, personally, am growing tired of hearing about.
Course, I'm no writer and I can't think of anything else to write about either so i guess i'd write about WoW too... /logs back in to get his third char closer to 60... |
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Vrazule 12/08/06 2:43:31 PM
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If life is but a dream, then why must we row so hard? |
Maybe this is an indication that the typical end game needs to change. If you guys are going to turn it into something other than a game, you need to seriously consider your mental health. You people are too serious about something that has no bearing on real life what so ever. I feel sorry for people who would rather spend their waking moments raiding with fictional friends rather than deal with a real life. Why would people pay a company to foster this kind of "game mechanic"? I'm still waiting for a MMO that will entertain me rather than make me work and charge me for it to boot. |
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| With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal |
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nthnaoun 12/08/06 2:49:11 PM
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Kovah, you are being overly critical and perhaps you are one of the ones who need to hear it again. The author makes some very valid points..., points that are forgotten many times over in the day to day posts out there concerning effort and time having to be given to a MMORPG. I think people need to be reminded that MMORPG's are a social endeavor and require the same amount of attention as other social endeavours. I also think people hide being anonymity and forget that they need to show respect to everyone. Guilds are exactly what they sound like; a group of people that have a common goal with a HIERARCHY. People need to respect the chain of command and stop being asses just because they think the guild leader might be a child or that his is just a game and doesn't matter. I like the way the author uses sports and an analogy for gaming hobbies. They both are actually similar, but MMORPG gamers don't take gaming as seriously as they should, because of the anonymity factor. WoW isn't my style of game and neither is their raiding, but I do understand that it is a legitimate end game and that it is akin to sports in the way that you need to practise and take it just as seriously. I believe that people who do not take the gaming seriously do not belong in guilds or games that require seriousness. This is a trend I see among newer gamers as opposed to older (Pre-WoW) gamers. MMORPG's are hobbies for many of us and we take them just as seriously as the person that fishes or plays professional football. We play to have fun, we play to win, we play to build and to advance. We play for many reasons, but above all we are all committed to the game and understand that hobbies take work. It is about time that these passerby gamers realize that they stepped into a serious hobby, not just another console game. |
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nthnaoun 12/08/06 2:57:31 PM
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You have some ill concieved notions of gaming. Fishing, sports, woodworking, and many other hobbies doesn't really have a bearing on real life either. Gaming is a legitamate hobby and people like you need to realize this. Gaming can also become an addiction, in which case the person could use some help. But I myself have a very healthy lifestyle (family, education, social life) but I also enjoy my hobby (MMORPG's) and enjoy having a virtual life. By the way, welcome to the 21st century; online friends are just as real as offline friends. They have the same feelings, lives, and values that your offline friends might have. Do not think that just because a person isn't tangible that they do not actually exists. You should read up on MMORPG's and realize how many social gatherings actually happen with online friends meeting and hanging out through out the year. What about online match making? Many couples have met their soulmate online. Many people have found their careers online. Doing things online is legitamate and so is having online friends. The question you should ask yourself as everyone else will be: Who are you to tell a person what hobby is good and what hobby is bad, who needs mental help and who doesn't, and how they should live their life? Are you trying to say that you are perfect, have a very successful career with no problems, have a very successful social life and have only hobbies that benefit your real life. Are you trying to say that you are one of the worlds leaders, because your head is screwed on so straight, your shit doesn't stink and that you hold Doctoral degrees in philosophy, psychology, and many other areas, where you can tell us what is healthy and what isn't. I didn't think so. |
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Mrbloodworth 12/08/06 3:02:52 PM
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There are other games doing great things.
Why are all of thies about WoW? |
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Hakiko 12/08/06 3:04:12 PM
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Very good article that applies to any team based online gaming. The same problems crop up in a shooter clan as in a MMO guild. I have always felt like a good group based MMO should feel like a team sport. I think FFXI managed to do this even at the regular XP group level. Timing secondary vokers with SATA and the magic burst on skill chains all took practice and a good group could really clean up. |
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kovah 12/08/06 3:14:01 PM
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I wasn't trying to say that he didn't have good points or that he presented it poorly, I'm just saying that I've been gaming for years and already know this stuff. No need to re-read it. I'm a casual gamer by definition. I mentioned getting my third WoW char to 60, he's only 39 and it won't happen before my sub is up. After two years of playing I only have 2 60s, non of which are wearing anything tier1 or better.
I was stating my opinion of his piece. It's info that *I* already know and it's using mostly examples from a game that *I* am tired of hearing about. So I posted *my* opinion of his article. /shrug |
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Robbgobb 12/08/06 3:37:49 PM
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I enjoyed the article and do believe sometimes people need to realize that it is about personal fun and making friends. I read this and see why except for DAoC that I normally gave up when I hit endgame. The endgame no longer has the fun little groups I would enjoy because everyone is needing to raid and get the best gear. I am an explorer type so much prefer going all over and experiencing all the areas. I let people in the group I was a member of know that I was off and not sure if I would be back. I just get bored with doing raids. This is why I like DAoC though. The end game raids actually did show me why my efforts were needed. I wasn't doing raids for the best gear. I was doing it to make my side stronger or defend what my side had. I have to say that if my guild had not slowly left DAoC that I would probably still be there. I enjoy the stories that I find through quests and talking to NPCs. After that is over though then I am probably going to be leaving the game because the endgame does not interest me. If I find one like DAoC and a good guild that would probably change for me. I am understanding of the people who love the endgame and want to be the best. I am not one of them bu | ||
