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July 1, 1858: Darwin and Wallace Shift the Paradigm

By Randy Alfred 07.01.08

Charles Robert Darwin (above) has enjoyed far more fame than Alfred Russel Wallace, but they are in fact co-discoverers of natural selection as the means of organic evolution.¹
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1858: The Linnaean Society of London listens to the reading of a composite paper on how natural selection accounts for the evolution and variety of species. The authors are Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace. Modern biology is born.

Neither Darwin nor Wallace attended the meeting. Wallace was still in Malaysia. Darwin was at home with his wife mourning the death of their 19-month-old son just three days earlier.

The secretary of the society read the 18-page paper, comprising four parts:

1. The readers' own letter of introduction explaining the extraordinary circumstances;
2. An excerpt from Darwin's unpublished draft, part of a chapter titled, "On the Variation of Organic Beings in a State of Nature; on the Natural Means of Selection; on the Comparison of Domestic Races and True Species";
3. An abstract of Darwin's 1857 letter on the subject to Harvard University botanist Asa Gray;
4. Wallace's manuscript, "On the Tendency of Varieties to Depart Indefinitely From the Original Type."

The Theory of Evolution is a religion. 

Micro-evolution is real.  It's the small adaptations and changes of species.  However, MACRO-evolution, which is the theory of the big bang, the fact we come from primordial soup, and being transformed over millions/billions of years is ridiculous.

Nothing on those ideas have never been proven.  Which means I have to go by "faith" to believe it? 

Sounds alot like an athiest's views on Christianity doesn't it?

Originally posted by Vhayne

The Theory of Evolution is a religion. 

Micro-evolution is real.  It's the small adaptations and changes of species.  However, MACRO-evolution, which is the theory of the big bang, the fact we come from primordial soup, and being transformed over millions/billions of years is ridiculous.

Nothing on those ideas have never been proven.  Which means I have to go by "faith" to believe it? 

Sounds alot like an athiest's views on Christianity doesn't it?

you are so ill informed. evolution has nothing to do with the big bang. the start of life is called abiogenisis not evolution and is a separate field of investigation.

Also your base logic is flawed. You recognise that evolution happens (observably) in short time scales but then reason that using observable evidence in order to model a larger time frame is no more than an act of faith.

Faith is the justification of something based on that which cannot be observed.

Originally posted by Vhayne

The Theory of Evolution is a religion. 

Micro-evolution is real.  It's the small adaptations and changes of species.  However, MACRO-evolution, which is the theory of the big bang, the fact we come from primordial soup, and being transformed over millions/billions of years is ridiculous.

Nothing on those ideas have never been proven.  Which means I have to go by "faith" to believe it? 

Sounds alot like an athiest's views on Christianity doesn't it?

The theory of evolution is build upon analysis, research and scientific conclusions. Christianity is build on humanity's imagination, and that' the difference.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Vhayne

The Theory of Evolution is a religion. 

Micro-evolution is real.  It's the small adaptations and changes of species.  However, MACRO-evolution, which is the theory of the big bang, the fact we come from primordial soup, and being transformed over millions/billions of years is ridiculous.

Nothing on those ideas have never been proven.  Which means I have to go by "faith" to believe it? 

Sounds alot like an athiest's views on Christianity doesn't it?

 

The theory of evolution is build upon analysis, research and scientific conclusions. Christianity is build on humanity's imagination, and that' the difference.

it takes faith to believe that we evolved from apes. Until we can build a time machine to go back in time and PROVE it. Then imo it takes faith to believe. Same goes with christianity.

Originally posted. by tvalentine

it takes faith to believe that we evolved from apes. Until we can build a time machine to go back in time and PROVE it. Then imo it takes faith to believe. Same goes with christianity.

lol, so much ignorance, evolution does not say we evolved from apes.

It proposes that apes and humans have a common ancestor, for which there is plenty of evidence. If you allow micro evolution, at what scale of time does evolution cease to work? 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 10 years, 100 years, 1 000....  1 000 000 years etc? what evidence is there that there is a time problem?

Without a doubt, the errors in our measurements of things in the past increase, however there is still a working model based on evidence.

saying that there is a supernatural being that we can't see or understand has no evidence at all.

Originally posted by nurgles

Originally posted. by tvalentine

it takes faith to believe that we evolved from apes. Until we can build a time machine to go back in time and PROVE it. Then imo it takes faith to believe. Same goes with christianity.

lol, so much ignorance, evolution does not say we evolved from apes.

It proposes that apes and humans have a common ancestor, for which there is plenty of evidence. If you allow micro evolution, at what scale of time does evolution cease to work? 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 10 years, 100 years, 1 000....  1 000 000 years etc? what evidence is there that there is a time problem?

Without a doubt, the errors in our measurements of things in the past increase, however there is still a working model based on evidence.

saying that there is a supernatural being that we can't see or understand has no evidence at all.

evidence =/= fact. And i just said "we evolved from apes" because everything ive seen that mentions evolution seems to always say that. ty for correcting me. Again it takes faith to believe its true.

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by nurgles

Originally posted. by tvalentine

it takes faith to believe that we evolved from apes. Until we can build a time machine to go back in time and PROVE it. Then imo it takes faith to believe. Same goes with christianity.

lol, so much ignorance, evolution does not say we evolved from apes.

It proposes that apes and humans have a common ancestor, for which there is plenty of evidence. If you allow micro evolution, at what scale of time does evolution cease to work? 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 10 years, 100 years, 1 000....  1 000 000 years etc? what evidence is there that there is a time problem?

Without a doubt, the errors in our measurements of things in the past increase, however there is still a working model based on evidence.

saying that there is a supernatural being that we can't see or understand has no evidence at all.

 

evidence =/= fact. And i just said "we evolved from apes" because everything ive seen that mentions evolution seems to always say that. ty for correcting me. Again it takes faith to believe its true.

cool, cool, yep all truths are based in belief or abstracts.

Most people poorly use the term truth, like understanding that the rules we use to desighn technology (like the computer you are using) are not truths, but working models subject to change.