General Discussion

All signs point to an incomplete game releasing in the early fall ahead of WotLK so that they can pick up some box sales and hopefully keep enough subs till they patch in what was left out.

Exact same thing with AoC. Only AoC was released in the summer incomplete so they wouldn't have to be in a crowded market in the fall/winter.

You can swear up and down that this isn't the case. But dropping things because 'they simply won't be done by launch' is a sure sign. Not that it's a bad thing, just about every MMOG but WoW and it's expansions has done the exact same thing.

And you would assume they're going to leave the Orc/Dwarf and Elf campaigns the way they are, with no capital cities to siege because it'll be incomplete and Mythic is that dumb.

You're already wrong.

Classes are the real downer, but classes have been cut before and they've added classes in DAoC expansions. Once they get things worked out they'll hopefully add them in.

Mythic knows more about their game than you do and this was the lesser of two evils.

Yes, WAR is dropping a bit of content and they have given their reasons whether we like or agree with them or not.  Adding the comment that only WoW did not do that was rather idiotic however.  As has been discussed many times, there were a number of things WoW put off til a post launch time.  Why the insistane on comparing WAR (and every other game) to WoW all the time?  They are not the same game.  Until people grasp that it is pointless to debate things with them.

I have always enjoyed this point in a games development cycle - the bad news after all the hype (can you just imagine what Darkfalls bad news will be at this same point - heheh)

even more enjoyable will be Wars blind fanbois excuses and spin to turn all the broken promises into "good" news

No its not the exact same thing, because Mythic is not only disclosing this quite early they will be releasing their NDA BEFORE the open beta and may even have the Guild Beta NON-NDA.

I have no problem with a game dropping features they can't fit in.  The problem with AOC was the smoke and mirrors and incomplete features they put in anyway and still said were the best thing since sliced bread.

Tons of software project take out a feature or two or three.  And usually as long as there is honest and advanced notice and the as long as the features are not key features that is OK.

AoC did not have advanced notice.  AoC was not honest or forthright about it.  And some of the features were billed as cornerstones to their game especially the PvP stuff that surrently lacking and/or buggy.

This post is a commonly used logical fallacy.  I don't remember the exact name of it off the top of my head.

Originally posted by Ascension08

And you would assume they're going to leave the Orc/Dwarf and Elf campaigns the way they are, with no capital cities to siege because it'll be incomplete and Mythic is that dumb.

You're already wrong.

Didn't anyone ever tell you not to ASSUME, because when you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U and ME? :p

I said nothing about leaving orc/dwarf and elf campaigns incomplete. I just said the game will release incomplete because it needs to come out BEFORE WotLK and it's obvious they need to hit that date because they are starting to drop things 'because we cant complete them before release.'

Originally posted by SundersGhost

Yes, WAR is dropping a bit of content and they have given their reasons whether we like or agree with them or not.  Adding the comment that only WoW did not do that was rather idiotic however.  As has been discussed many times, there were a number of things WoW put off til a post launch time.  Why the insistane on comparing WAR (and every other game) to WoW all the time?  They are not the same game.  Until people grasp that it is pointless to debate things with them.

 

Like I seem to remember WOW was going to have PVP in game at launch and didn't that came later and as you see now int the game is a huge thing. WAR doesn't wanna release with half asses cities they want 2 HUGE cities that are perfect I am sure they will add the others sooner rather then later. But sure WOW has all capital cities but all fo them feel to have little point to me they are just gathering places anyway and we have to remember these cities will be so huge that they will all of kinds of different places. I mean in WOW Darnassus and Exodar are all but dead most of the time leaving Iron Forge and Stormwind to host alot of players and I never get any slow down being around that many folks I used to when I had an awful computer like 4 years ago lol.

Anyway on the classes I knew something was up when the Blackguard you still couldn't click on his pick and get info. But the others were kind of a suprise especially the choppa. Anyway I am sure they will these in later and work them around a little bit to there liking.

So in the end don't worry guys this will still be a great game they just do not wanna release the stuff they know will not work right now. I mean if other companies did this people wouldn't be so pissed. I mean liek AOC re-did and deleted classes post launch and then at launch some were still messed up cause they wanted so many. Now you see they were patching them every few days to try and get them right. WAR does not want to do this they want the classes right and want them to feel they can go toe to toe with anyone else.

Originally posted by SundersGhost

Yes, WAR is dropping a bit of content and they have given their reasons whether we like or agree with them or not.  Adding the comment that only WoW did not do that was rather idiotic however.  As has been discussed many times, there were a number of things WoW put off til a post launch time.  Why the insistane on comparing WAR (and every other game) to WoW all the time?  They are not the same game.  Until people grasp that it is pointless to debate things with them.

 

Oh theres a lot of things WoW promised and never delivered on. My point is that the game was 'complete' upon release. There was content for all levels, there was open world PvP (though not much of it.) All the main goals and features on the box were there. Sure there was stuff promised and never delivered.. a LOT of it lol. But the game itself was as complete as any MMOG release has been.

Originally posted by gestalt11

I have no problem with a game dropping features they can't fit in.  The problem with AOC was the smoke and mirrors and incomplete features they put in anyway and still said were the best thing since sliced bread.

 

Tons of software project take out a feature or two or three.  And usually as long as there is honest and advanced notice and the as long as the features are not key features that is OK.

 

AoC did not have advanced notice.  AoC was not honest or forthright about it.  And some of the features were billed as cornerstones to their game especially the PvP stuff that surrently lacking and/or buggy.

 

This post is a commonly used logical fallacy.  I don't remember the exact name of it off the top of my head.

You don't think there are smoke and mirrors going on in WARs development? I point you to this article

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/articles/showentry.php?e=76

And I for one don't deny that AOC certainly released unfinished and that many of it's core features were buggy or incomplete, especially the end game PvP. But then again I remember that DAoC was the same way. PvP the cornerstone of it's end game.. and it wasn't close to complete when it came out.

The topic wasn't an attempt to smear or troll or trash WAR or Mythic, but only to show evidence of reality.. that even the godsend that is WAR to some people, will not be a finished product. That and to see if I get any funny fanboi replies :p No luck so far on that front.