EVE Online

after some of my "this is what weakness is" posts, someone linked me to an eve-o thread.  the below post in particular:

Krows
Caldari
Resource Reallocators Incorporated

Damian, why do you post this stuff here? Does it make some significance to you that someone had a PVP experience in EVE? Or do you just like to spam threads where you smack at PVPers whom you, based on your previous postings, consider the scum of the bottom-feeding scumbags in EVE, and the source of all things evil in the universe?

From my POV, the declaring corp did nothing 'weak'. Aside from deccing on a corp just for the sake of having a war, but that's a different issue in and of itself.

Moving, fast hit-and-run tactics are a mainstay in EVE small group tactics. What, did you expect that pvpers would just wardec someone and then go sit at a convenient location, waiting for a bigger fleet to come pounding up on them? Wars in EVE aren't fought with 'name the field and we'll be there' mentality.

Instead, they avoided the main force, and cut off, isolated, and destroyed it in detail until they could smash the last group in a direct fight. That, to me, is a sign that that FC and his group bear watching. They play smart, which makes them far more dangerous then many others.

As for the target corp, well, too bad they either didn't realize immediately that they were in over their heads, or failed to capitalize on their advantages (larger force, bigger economy). At least they got a lot of PVP experience from those fights, even if it was on the losing side. Next time someone wardecs them, they'll probably be able to put up a better fight. A lot of kudos to them for fighting it to the bitter end, without whining about it being unfair or disbanding. They are the true heroes of this post.

Originally posted by Finwolven

Damian, why do you post this stuff here? Does it make some significance to you that someone had a PVP experience in EVE? Or do you just like to spam threads where you smack at PVPers whom you, based on your previous postings, consider the scum of the bottom-feeding scumbags in EVE, and the source of all things evil in the universe? reading with comprehension is a lost art - learn it.

From my POV, the declaring corp did nothing 'weak'. Aside from deccing on a corp just for the sake of having a war, but that's a different issue in and of itself.  your opinion.

Moving, fast hit-and-run tactics are a mainstay in EVE small group tactics. What, did you expect that pvpers would just wardec someone and then go sit at a convenient location, waiting for a bigger fleet to come pounding up on them? Wars in EVE aren't fought with 'name the field and we'll be there' mentality. i really wish you paid attention to other threads i've actually posted in.

Instead, they avoided the main force, and cut off, isolated, and destroyed it in detail until they could smash the last group in a direct fight. That, to me, is a sign that that FC and his group bear watching. They play smart, which makes them far more dangerous then many others.

As for the target corp, well, too bad they either didn't realize immediately that they were in over their heads, or failed to capitalize on their advantages (larger force, bigger economy). At least they got a lot of PVP experience from those fights, even if it was on the losing side. Next time someone wardecs them, they'll probably be able to put up a better fight. A lot of kudos to them for fighting it to the bitter end, without whining about it being unfair or disbanding. They are the true heroes of this post.

um, guess you just pick random posts of mine to pay attention to.  pvp is great fun.  i enjoy pvp immensely.  you're missing my point because of your pre-conceived notions of what people do/don't think, perhaps?

this post that i picked and i'm mocking, it's not that of some daring roving gang in null sec.  judging by their KB, with high sec kills on people in npc corps -- it's a band of can flippers.  yes, those are the bottom feeders.  but hey, if you engage in such heroic tactics, you'd probably defend them as well.

there is nothing heroic or cool about that.  not in the slightest.  these losers are not heroes or trainers or anything good.  they're losers.  they don't look for 'good fights'.  they look for easy kills with which to pad their KB.  no?  why the high sec kills on folks in npc corps then?

to the mouth-breathing section of eve, a 'good fight' is an alien concept which they are incapable of grasping.  because they WANT to be griefers so that they can feel uber.  a good fight can be something like the napped-north NOT trying to take each other's pos, just roving gangs beating the snot out of each other.  a good fight is not blobbing systems with a fleet that can do nothing other than lag the world.

s'ok though, years of listening to idiots ramble on about how uber they are for ganking people and calling that a "good fight" will screw up the common-man's sensibilities.  but because you've read two posts of mine which are anti-weaksauce, don't sit there and act like that's all the posts i've ever made or blogged about on here.  cuz i'm quite anti stupidity, along with the anti weakness.

Damian, I read every post on these forums that catches my eye, and respond to most of them in some fashion. Sometimes I'm away for a while, though, so if there's a post of yours that posits the reasons for what I see as your overwhelmingly bad attitude, confrontationalism and all-out general hostility to anyone daring to post a differing opinion on a thread you've commented in, please provide a link.

Aside from that, yes, it's my opinion that the text you provided didn't in and of itself posses anything resembling a clue to the 'bottom-suckingness' of the corp whose member did it. You provided the post, called it weaksauce, but failed to provide any clarifying context as to why it was weaksauce, so I responded to the wording of the post only.

As such, my opinion in this matter is coloured by the fact that I am and have been both a PVPer and an industrialist in 0.0, and I find nothing reprehensible in winning a fight relatively fairly. At least in the post, they didn't admit to station-camping the hapless industrialists 23/7 until they had to undock, or bring fleets of 150+ to attack a fleet of 50.

Whatever additional information you had on the corp (like the supposed can flipping, or other arsetardeness), you should have presented on the OP, along with other reasons why their actions were 'weak' and not 'worthy'. I cannot read your reasons out of your mind, and I certainly am not going to investigate a random non-linked posting from somewhere on the EVE-O forums by an unknown pilot of a corp I've never even heard of. You asked an opinion (or for agreement, really), and I gave you my two cents (euro, not dollar).

If 'reading comprehension' is the biggest problem for most people responding to your posts, then perhaps it is the posts that are at fault and fail to convey the message you wish conveyed. You seem to accuse terribly many people of lack of it, and to be honest I haven't once seen where anyone had read your post in a way I wouldn't have read it.

EDIT: correction, the post above was linked from a little number six to the original EVE-O thread. I just didn't notice it until it happened to catch my eye a minute after posting this. I still stand that I'm not going to bother to investigate a corps killboards just because someone links a single post and says they're weaksauce.

Damian, you continue to miss the fundamental difference about PVP in a game like EVE that has consequences vs a PVP game like WOW where there is really no penalty for losing.

Try to equate it to real life.  In RL, if you enter combat with an opponent, despite what the movies have you believe, there is no honor to the battle.  There is only who is still standing after the fight, with as little damage as possible.  Real wars are fought with the goal of never giving the enemy a chance to do you any harm, and no one cares if you overwhelm them with an irresistible force.

EVE is like this.  There is no honor on the battle field.  There is only quick and the dead.  I don't begrudge gankers their kills, even though I don't gank.  Its the design of the game, and you can bet when I'm out PVPing in a 250M Isk ship, the only fight I ever want to be in is one that I can win.

Screw honor, screw competition, screw having a "good fight"...all that matters is when the fight is over, my ship is intact, and my opponent has been destroyed and podded.

Mercy, a foreign concept.  honor...the same.  In your OP the corp you listed performed in a perfectly acceptable manner.  You decry their "picking" on a weak industrial corp.  EVE teaches you that you have to excel in all three core areas of EVE, (Economic, PVP & Diplomacy) or suffer the consequences.   No corp or alliance can afford to neglect any of these areas, and they do so at their own peril.

Players on both sides of your OP were responsible for their own actions, and the results were a direct result of the choices they made.   Both groups had the power to do things differently had they chosen to.

That's what EVE is all about... the freedom to make your own destiny....

without the harsh death penalties of real life.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Damian, you continue to miss the fundamental difference about PVP in a game like EVE that has consequences vs a PVP game like WOW where there is really no penalty for losing.

Try to equate it to real life.  In RL, if you enter combat with an opponent, despite what the movies have you believe, there is no honor to the battle.  There is only who is still standing after the fight, with as little damage as possible.  Real wars are fought with the goal of never giving the enemy a chance to do you any harm, and no one cares if you overwhelm them with an irresistible force.

EVE is like this.  There is no honor on the battle field.  There is only quick and the dead.  I don't begrudge gankers their kills, even though I don't gank.  Its the design of the game, and you can bet when I'm out PVPing in a 250M Isk ship, the only fight I ever want to be in is one that I can win.

Screw honor, screw competition, screw having a "good fight"...all that matters is when the fight is over, my ship is intact, and my opponent has been destroyed and podded.

Mercy, a foreign concept.  honor...the same.  In your OP the corp you listed performed in a perfectly acceptable manner.  You decry their "picking" on a weak industrial corp.  EVE teaches you that you have to excel in all three core areas of EVE, (Economic, PVP & Diplomacy) or suffer the consequences.   No corp or alliance can afford to neglect any of these areas, and they do so at their own peril.

Players on both sides of your OP were responsible for their own actions, and the results were a direct result of the choices they made.   Both groups had the power to do things differently had they chosen to.

That's what EVE is all about... the freedom to make your own destiny....

without the harsh death penalties of real life.

 

amen!

Originally posted by Kyleran

Damian, you continue to miss the fundamental difference about PVP in a game like EVE that has consequences vs a PVP game like WOW where there is really no penalty for losing.

Try to equate it to real life.  In RL, if you enter combat with an opponent, despite what the movies have you believe, there is no honor to the battle.  There is only who is still standing after the fight, with as little damage as possible.  Real wars are fought with the goal of never giving the enemy a chance to do you any harm, and no one cares if you overwhelm them with an irresistible force.

EVE is like this.  There is no honor on the battle field.  There is only quick and the dead.  I don't begrudge gankers their kills, even though I don't gank.  Its the design of the game, and you can bet when I'm out PVPing in a 250M Isk ship, the only fight I ever want to be in is one that I can win.

Screw honor, screw competition, screw having a "good fight"...all that matters is when the fight is over, my ship is intact, and my opponent has been destroyed and podded.

Mercy, a foreign concept.  honor...the same.  In your OP the corp you listed performed in a perfectly acceptable manner.  You decry their "picking" on a weak industrial corp.  EVE teaches you that you have to excel in all three core areas of EVE, (Economic, PVP & Diplomacy) or suffer the consequences.   No corp or alliance can afford to neglect any of these areas, and they do so at their own peril.

Players on both sides of your OP were responsible for their own actions, and the results were a direct result of the choices they made.   Both groups had the power to do things differently had they chosen to.

That's what EVE is all about... the freedom to make your own destiny....

without the harsh death penalties of real life.

 

in your opinion.

have you not noticed the honor between some nap'd alliances?  they commit roving bands, as it were, to fight each other, for good fights, yet it is understood that there will be no pos war, no blobbing, no systems changing hands.  you send your roving bands to these border systems and we have good fights.

honor exists in eve.  there's just so many bottom-feeding, mouth-breathing, knuckle-draggers pretending to be pod pilots, that it's very hard to see it.  too many people see profit as the bottom line, as opposed to 'good fights' which in turn generate 'fun'.

"oh i have fun winning battles i know i can't lose, it makes me feel da ubers" <<< weakness, any way you spin it, nothing but weakness.

i'm glad i know that there are pockets of eve where profit and one-sided fights aren't the name of the game.  but hey, what DO i know?  i'm one of the few espousing radical ideas that online-tough-guys can't understand because it would mean that they really are dishonorable pieces of dog-poop and all the lies they've told themselves to make them feel better... are just