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Wow, this thread surprised me. I got to the end and found out the OP was talking about Darkfall... heh. With that said, I will agree with most of what you said. However, I cannot see Darkfall suceeding in every aspect that they have been trying to sell for the past, what, 7 years? Maybe that's just the jaded MMO gamer inside of me, but it seems too good to be true, even after the videos have been released, a beta sign up, and a release date.

I think Darkfall will be a "wait and see" game for most of us. It seems too good to be true on paper, so we'll have to wait and see. In all honesty, I hope it's what it says it is, because that would be my perfect MMO. In reality though? I can't see it happening.

Darkfall = Vanguard 2.0

Oh, so many empty promises.

Originally posted by Galaturc

Originally posted by BesCirga

Havent read most of the posts, but have to ask...Is Darkfall still planning on using their enforced First person combat mode?

 

 

The melee combat will be third person as it can be seen from the last video. I'm also hoping the ranged attacks will as well be third person, however there are some dev quotes stating that the ranged combat will require the spell caster or the archer to be in first person view. I would like to remind however that there are no classes int his game and that most PvP players will one way or another master a ranged/magical combat skill or two to counter different styles. It's just common sense.

Thanks... No enforced first person view in combat is good news!

"Introduction to Forum Rules 101: If you read the original post, you would understand what he was addressing in his points. I know it was a long post - and I apologize if it was boring for you, but if you are really interested in being part of this discussion, you need to pay attention to the rest of the thread.

Unfortunately, you did follow a similar approach when you brought up your assumptions about ranged vs melee PvP balance issues, and tried to sell them to the forum readers as mere facts. Similar combat issues has been extensively discussed several times in Darkfall forums, and devs have brought many satisfying explanations in their updates. If you are concerned about an issue as such and not knowledgeble about it, before speculating and making up facts; please try to learn more about it, either by asking in a thread like this, or doing some research in the games website. Surely, there will be some of us who would like to help you out."

Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such.  Just because some dev says something does not make it true.  Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days.  They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off.

We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not.  Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though.  If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show.   If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.

Originally posted by pdxgeek

Originally posted by javac

Won't be griefers playing DF, it will be people who enjoy PVP.

You're kidding, right? Calling any game full pvp with player looting is like throwing raw meat to a pack of starving wolves...the gankers and griefers are giddy at the prospect. The problem is that run-of-the-mill players aren't going to have anything to do with the game so the population will be very small. The gankers won't have enough targets, will get bored and will run back to whatever game they are currently using to fulfill their anti-social needs.

No, I think it will be more like DAOC factions -- most people will not kill their own faction (i'm sure there will be some exceptions), but they will kill opposing factions, which is not really griefing at all. Killing your own faction gives negative alignment fast, which means no going into regular cities cause no trading with NPCs, and being KOS to NPC guards.

The 'griefer/ganker' race will be Alfar, who are meant to be evil bastards, so as long as you don't roll Alfar I don't see much of a problem.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such.  Just because some dev says something does not make it true.  Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days.  They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off.

We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not.  Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though.  If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show.   If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.

This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.

Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.

As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).

The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.

Absurd discussions about Darkfall this way ----> www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/forum/454

Until the public gets their hands on this game this is nothing more the piss and wind.

Watch out pissing into the wind you might end up with piss in your face.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

"Introduction to Forum Rules 101: If you read the original post, you would understand what he was addressing in his points. I know it was a long post - and I apologize if it was boring for you, but if you are really interested in being part of this discussion, you need to pay attention to the rest of the thread.

Unfortunately, you did follow a similar approach when you brought up your assumptions about ranged vs melee PvP balance issues, and tried to sell them to the forum readers as mere facts. Similar combat issues has been extensively discussed several times in Darkfall forums, and devs have brought many satisfying explanations in their updates. If you are concerned about an issue as such and not knowledgeble about it, before speculating and making up facts; please try to learn more about it, either by asking in a thread like this, or doing some research in the games website. Surely, there will be some of us who would like to help you out."

Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such.  Just because some dev says something does not make it true.  Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days.  They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off.

We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not.  Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though.  If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show.   If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.

Hyping a game that presented so much of its promised features (in their dev updates) in one video, set a very close deadline, about to start a beta stage in a few weeks, will start giving interviews in major magazines and media, and offers a new fresh breath of air for a population of players who have been waiting for so long against all the vaporware speculations... is well-worth it and is reasonable with a thread like mine where almost all of you do agree with the problems I stated about the mainstream boring games, and eventually I point out that Darkfall may most likely realize our dreams, and ask you to check it out and have an eye on it.

Dehyping a game against all these "new" developments and exciting news, is quite honestly have to have "other" agendas.

Wait and see is all we must do, we're all aware that the game ma