General Discussion

Originally posted by MrRose

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

I was a MMORPG fan when I first started playing DAoC in 2001 and then switched to SWG in 2005. I can't say for sure if I am a MMORPG fan anymore though, because community is just as much a feature of a MMORPG as PvP or Raiding. The community since WoW came out in almost every MMORPG I've played has been rude, anti-social, and disrespectful with small pockets of mature people. This is the exact opposite of how the community was before WoW. Your last paragraph said that you would recommend the game to fans of MMORPGs, but I cannot say for sure if I am a fan of MMORPGs anymore. I love the idea of building a character over a long period of time with other people online, but I absolutely hate what the MMORPG community has devolved to.

I guess the question is: Is the WAR community like the DAoC and SWG community before WoW brought several million people into our games, or is the WAR community like WoW's?

 

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Yepp SWG did have a great community, UO hade the same. But as you say, since WoW launch or SWG (messed up by $OE) died. I havent seen any MMORPG:s that has a good community.

Speak on it people! Wow, being the McDonald's of MMOs, has severely diminished the quality of player you get in today's mmo because when you can do everything solo and there's no penalty for being a jerk like not being able to group easily you get the asshat convention that so many of us older players despise. ESPECIALLY when they revel in their asshattedness like when they're higher lvl, twinked and ganking you after you just fought some mob and declaring you a "n00b" and themselves "l33t". R34d a b00k.

BTW coh has a really nice community, very friendly and helpful.
 

Mr. Wood makes some good points about this game. 

The fact is, this is not a deep game like say EQ2 Vanguard or LOTRO where you have alot of aspects to the game that are not combat based.  Such as housing, in depth crafting, serious roleplaying possibilities (playable instruments, faction based costume gear etc..).  I know in EQ2, alot of the players that are left don't even participate in any combat at all, but just hang out in the taverns or travel around Norrath RPing with folks.  This is not a game you are going to get lost in for hours wandering through pretty forests RPing with the local elves without fighting anything.

However, what WAR is, is a very good RVR/PVP game with some good PVE questing elements.  It is first and foremost a combat game, and that's really about all it is.  It does this very well.  I'm having a grand ol time of it, when I get sick of button mashing and pwnin n00bs, I can always hop back over to LOTRO for some good ol fantasy RPing and immersion.

War is a niche game, as it is totally focused on one aspect of what we traditionaly think of MMORPGs, at least how they were before WoW.  This niche however seems to be the biggest niche out there, which is hardcore combat based pvp.

Thank you, Jon.  I love your style.

Interesting to reads Jon's points on the PVP in WAR , I have never ever enjoyed PVP in any game until now that is. !  The Scenario's and Open RVR areas are a brilliant idea and if like me me you've always been scared of PVP well now their is no need as with WAR it gradually draws you in and before you know it your having a blast !

At first I was getting killed alot but a few Renown points and a trip to the renown gear seller started to change all that, I actually started to hold my own and even started getting a few solo Kills.

I have to say the first time I saw Destruction players actually running away from my Swordmasters onslaught was amazing !!

anyway Jon thanks for the great read and I think most of your points were spot on the mark !

right off to go find a better Sword !!

 Great review. I love your approach.

I am having a blast with this game! I have been it since late beta and early head starts.

I knew RvR would be great but the three total shockers for me about this game are:

1. PvE is very well done!

Not to LOTRO level of depth, but as good as if not better than WoW. As far as questing goes though, I haven't seen much tight 6 man content grouping mechanics yet. But all other PvE aspects and content are very good, this was my big shocker.

2. PQ's are fun and bring something new to the mmo scene!

They are great from many perspectives, and yes they do have some inherent flaws, some of which can be worked out. Doing PQ's and how they work them into the game gives the game great fun and additional addiction factor.

3. Tome of Knowledge (Tok)

This may be a hit or miss for some but to me it is a great addition to the mmo world (yes LOTRO sort of did it first and WoW is sort of copying it). It adds a lot of different types of content to the game, not to mention the depth and ties to PvE and lore it helps build on to. Very well done and at times I find myself reading the ToK, my unlocks, and fun titles I have gained.

I don't need to mention the RvR and scenarios, they were the feature attraction and have lived up to it.

This game so far offers a great deal of FUN things to do that can be done in short time blocks. I think this will be one of its greatest "features".

Enjoy!

First I want to really say that I enjoyed the article.  I'm in the catagory that's having fun and having a hard time turning the game off when it's time to go to bed... and the fun thing is that it's not becuase I'll 'ruin' the group if I leave or let some one down or anything, it's just becuase I don't want the fun times to stop.

that said, one thing in your article... I'm confused... I mean I think perhaps I 'get' you on a certain level but you said:

"...you might to find that WAR feels a bit “cartoony” and “WoW-like”.  -Jon wood.

now, other than the odd sentance construction, which leads me to believe that perhaps you had re-written that sentance and perhaps it's not saying what I think it means at all... but if I get the 'gist' of it, your saying that the Styling looks a lot like WoW.

so, on the level that they both have green Orcs, ... ok, on the level that they both use Pixels to show a picture, ya, ok, I get that too... but on the level that when I played WoW I went "oh my, this is different."  I have to disagree.

so, since we agreed on so many things in your article, I thought I'd 'toss' this out there and see if it makes sense.

If you were to lump, EverQuest, EverQuest II, Asherons Call, and oh lets just say Earth and Beyond just for some flavor into one graphic styling for an MMO, and World of WarCraft, into another, into which group would you say that Warhammer Online more closely fits?

If you didn't say the first group, then seriously, I just gotta say "you, be crazy mon!" one of the things that I liked the most about the grafics of this game was the fact that I felt that they made a concentrated effort to stay away from the 'WAY cartoony' look of WoW, and went back to the 'MMO Standard,' shall we say of the old school days, with the requisite fresh coat of paint of course, to make it work in today's world of grafical wonders.

I just had to put that out there, becaus I really liked how the graphics were done in the game, and one of the biggest 'reliefs' was that, "oh thank goodness they didn't go with the 'WoW' style."

and that my friend, is my 2 Cents.

-zWolf out.

(Wade Hone)

Originally posted by IAmMMO

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

I was a MMORPG fan when I first started playing DAoC in 2001 and then switched to SWG in 2005. I can't say for sure if I am a MMORPG fan anymore though, because community is just as much a feature of a MMORPG as PvP or Raiding. The community since WoW came out in almost every MMORPG I've played has been rude, anti-social, and disrespectful with small pockets of mature people. This is the exact opposite of how the community was before WoW. Your last paragraph said that you would recommend the game to fans of MMORPGs, but I cannot say for sure if I am a fan of MMORPGs anymore. I love the idea of building a character over a long period of time with other people online, but I absolutely hate what the MMORPG community has devolved to.

I guess the question is: Is the WAR community like the DAoC and SWG community before WoW brought several million people into our games, or is the WAR community like WoW's?

 

  I couldn't agree with you more. This is the main reason I'm not bothering with WAR, or a lot of other MMO's now for that matter anymore. They're full of the young teens born in the late 1980's and early 1990's, or the Beavis and Butthead generation as I like to call them. Not all in that generation are bad I know, but a majority of them do have issues on how to act socially in a MMO.

 

Going out on a limb here, but I'm gonna bet that there's allot more to your 'withdrawl' from MMO's, perhaps life is getting more involved for you now that the 'salad years' of the old MMO's have gone?  Sure, tiny boppers might add to the distaste, but for serious gamers, it's really not hard to find one of those "...small pockets of mature people,..." and get the same enjoyment that you got out of games back in the day.