WAR (Warhammer Online)

I have to admit i am feeling sorry for the OP! he put out a simple opinion, and to be honest most gamers see mmo's for what they are...linear, tree whatever you like. and people are calling him a troll? why? we all like to think our game is less linear than the next but lets face it..they all are.

I played ryzom recently which was meant to be a sandbox but found that if i stepped of the trial area at level 1 ( or fight 1 if you prefer..still a level ) i got wasted easily. Is Everquest a sandbox? because in the first few expansions i could go where i liked at level 1...ye i might get killed but i could still go there, only my skills stopped me and my stats.

Now i am playing WAR and think it's the best game to come along for a really long time, but hes right it's a tree! doesn't mean it's a bad game. Skill based, Level based, item based...doesn't matter they are all just different ways of grabbing the same goals. And come on do you really think a true sandbox would be a good game? maybe for a month but then frustration would take a hold. Of course there would be a few who would percivere and become gods if you like ( and i would be one of them ) but generally people just dont want realism, we want an alternate world and life to play in.

Come on guys and gals, leave the guy alone to his opinions and try to add something to the thread.

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Aryas

Boring and pointless post to read.

But you read it anyway and saw enough value in it to type a response so clearly it wasnt that pointless.

What does it achieve?

It gets people to respond and have a heated debate which is the point of coming onto a forum. As you can see so far it has 14 pages of responses so clearly it has achieved its goal very well.

Don't even reply.

But you did.

Massacre some kids at your local college, it's more productive.

Ermmm.....well yes it would be if your goal was to reduce the human population. I would personally rather have an argument....ahem! I mean....umm.....a debate online.

God, what do I even come to this site for anymore?

As God generally isnt in the business of answering peoples questions I'm really not sure why you are asking him. I would guess that its because you were bored and looking for a decent argument/debate/conversation to get into. Maybe its because deep down you know that all the online games that get made are actually rather shallow which helps to foster a feeling of frustration and unrest.

Or maybe you just like chatting to people about game related stuff. Thats the reason most people come here.

These games are about trying to have fun. So you don't - big deal.

Actually the OP made a point of saying that he was enjoying the game. Its ok though as many other posters chose to ignore his statement and act like angry fanboys as well so they took the brunt of his perfectly acceptable put downs. You get to walk away unscathed. Arent you the lucky one.

Do a vacuous job for 50 years, that's fun.

Ummm....no it isnt. I'm sorry if you havent enjoyed your time at work.....or if you did enjoy doing a vacuous job for 50 years then well done

Not interested in analogies to life, nations of the world or taking a dump.

So your not interested in talking about life, your not interested in what the inhabitants of the planet you live on get up to and your not interested in going to the toilet. OK well thanks for posting a reply telling us that your not interested in these things.

Yawn, so tired of this shit.

Maybe you should think about going to bed?

 

Best read i have had all day. VERY FUNNY!

Have you ripped anyone else appart recently because i really enjoyed that lol,

Do it to me, Do it to me!

Originally posted by shukes33

I have to admit i am feeling sorry for the OP! he put out a simple opinion, and to be honest most gamers see mmo's for what they are...linear, tree whatever you like. and people are calling him a troll? why? we all like to think our game is less linear than the next but lets face it..they all are.

I played ryzom recently which was meant to be a sandbox but found that if i stepped of the trial area at level 1 ( or fight 1 if you prefer..still a level ) i got wasted easily. Is Everquest a sandbox? because in the first few expansions i could go where i liked at level 1...ye i might get killed but i could still go there, only my skills stopped me and my stats.

Now i am playing WAR and think it's the best game to come along for a really long time, but hes right it's a tree! doesn't mean it's a bad game. Skill based, Level based, item based...doesn't matter they are all just different ways of grabbing the same goals. And come on do you really think a true sandbox would be a good game? maybe for a month but then frustration would take a hold. Of course there would be a few who would percivere and become gods if you like ( and i would be one of them ) but generally people just dont want realism, we want an alternate world and life to play in.

Come on guys and gals, leave the guy alone to his opinions and try to add something to the thread.

Very well said. Thou art the voice of reason. However the OP really doesnt need to be left alone. If you read through the whole thread you will see that he handled himself perfectly well. Yes of course all the dumb ass fanboys jumped all over his statements like a swarm of raging snotlings as we all knew they would but I dont see that as a problem. I found his retorts highly amusing actually, especially as what he was saying was true. The snotlings tried to attack from every possible angle they could and yet Rabenwolf still managed to fight them off with ease. At the end of the day the only thing the fanboys could do was screech the word "troll" at him which of course is so old and tiresome now that it isnt even worth paying any attention to.

Originally posted by shukes33

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Aryas

Boring and pointless post to read.

But you read it anyway and saw enough value in it to type a response so clearly it wasnt that pointless.

What does it achieve?

It gets people to respond and have a heated debate which is the point of coming onto a forum. As you can see so far it has 14 pages of responses so clearly it has achieved its goal very well.

Don't even reply.

But you did.

Massacre some kids at your local college, it's more productive.

Ermmm.....well yes it would be if your goal was to reduce the human population. I would personally rather have an argument....ahem! I mean....umm.....a debate online.

God, what do I even come to this site for anymore?

As God generally isnt in the business of answering peoples questions I'm really not sure why you are asking him. I would guess that its because you were bored and looking for a decent argument/debate/conversation to get into. Maybe its because deep down you know that all the online games that get made are actually rather shallow which helps to foster a feeling of frustration and unrest.

Or maybe you just like chatting to people about game related stuff. Thats the reason most people come here.

These games are about trying to have fun. So you don't - big deal.

Actually the OP made a point of saying that he was enjoying the game. Its ok though as many other posters chose to ignore his statement and act like angry fanboys as well so they took the brunt of his perfectly acceptable put downs. You get to walk away unscathed. Arent you the lucky one.

Do a vacuous job for 50 years, that's fun.

Ummm....no it isnt. I'm sorry if you havent enjoyed your time at work.....or if you did enjoy doing a vacuous job for 50 years then well done

Not interested in analogies to life, nations of the world or taking a dump.

So your not interested in talking about life, your not interested in what the inhabitants of the planet you live on get up to and your not interested in going to the toilet. OK well thanks for posting a reply telling us that your not interested in these things.

Yawn, so tired of this shit.

Maybe you should think about going to bed?

 

 

Best read i have had all day. VERY FUNNY!

Have you ripped anyone else appart recently because i really enjoyed that lol,

Do it to me, Do it to me!

LOL! Yeah I was actually grinning when I typed it last night. Oh I have ripped many opponents apart and also received a good beating in the process on a few occasions. I remember one guy who totally smashed me into oblivion. He was a fine verbal warrior if ever I saw one. Its good fun......but oh no......does that mean I'm a troll? Oh the shame!

Scroll back through this thread and find the first post made by Liranan. Our little "discussion" will probably make you chuckle too.

I would try and rip you apart but you havent said anything stupid yet so there are no chinks in your armour where I can get my troll-like claws in.
 

Play  "Snakes and Ladders" then tell me a about "ladders"....

Originally posted by neonwire

Do you get what I'm trying to say now?

I do and I agree.

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Cereo

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by aurick The OP's point is very well taken.  But is it realistic in today's market?

Historically, sandbox games do not do very well.  Some can sustain themselves with a small to moderate population, and keep growing over time.  (EVE, for example.) 

 

How is EVE a sandbox or not as the OP put it ladder based? It is just cleverly hidden but EVE is a ladder as all MMOs are. Just because there is no character level does not make EVE special. In EVE the ladder is standing with Corporations, that is essentially a level. In EVE your level is also defined by the amount of time you trained which translates to experience. You can not train battlecruiser before you learned spaceship command IV and Cruiser III, it is a ladder as all other games are.

Just had to comment on this, EVE is a very good MMO, but it is the same as all the others in terms of ladder or linear progression.

 

Thats a really dumb statement. How is EVE a linear game when you can go ANYWHERE at any "level"? The game doesnt restrict you based on how skilled your pilot is so in fact it is nothing like the other mmos at all. There are indeed ladders of progression but the game does not restrict how you choose to play the game based on those ladders. In EVE you can fly and survive anywhere if you are a wise pilot and know what you are doing.

You fail.

 

It was pointed out already but you can do  the same in WAR, you go to any Tier you want in any area. You will just die in a lot of them because you're not strong enough. Its the same in EvE, you can't waltz into 0.0 right off the bat in the game and waltz right back out. And you already admitted it IS a progression ladder system, just like every game is.

I used to listen to what you used to say neon, but right now you're making that pretty hard to respect even reading what you are trolling here.

 

Yeah except that in WAR each tier is designed for players of a specific level range and anyone lower than that range WILL die but in EVE it is a lot more open than that. You get players of varying degrees of skill flying in 0.0 space and you also cannot neccessarily tell how skillfull they are as they dont have a single number attached to them which denotes how pwerful they are (eg my level 20 spaceship beats your level 10 spaceship just because its got a bigger number). Your choice of ship, the focus of your skills and the selection of modules that you outfit your ship with can determine whether you win or lose a fight. Its possible to defeat a more experienced pilot in this way. The same however cannot be said for WAR. A level 20 player will always defeat a level 10 player no matter what you decide to do.

Yes EVE has a progression ladder system in terms of its skill points BUT the game does not have zones that are aimed at characters with a specific number of skillpoints. It doesnt funnel you like a rat in a maze like WAR does.

So no its NOT the same as EVE actually. Not even close. In fact its glaringly obvious that this is the case so how come you cant see it?

Now that I've just crushed your argument does that mean that I have earned your respect back (lol) or do you still think I'm just trolling by pointing out a fact?

Honestly, I am not sure you played WAR. You can go to Tier 2 or 3 at level 1 if you wanted I believe. And if you bring some higher level people with you, you’ll probably live. So to say you “will” die is wrong, it’s the same exact idea. If you have people with you, you’ll live. And stating you can’t see what level they are doesn’t mean anything, in the core coding of the game some people are still fundamentally more powerful than other players, it’s just EASIER to put it in level form.

In EvE a 70mil will always beat a 3mil, if you say otherwise I can make that same argument for WAR. If the guy just stands there in WAR, a 10 can beat a 20 easily, especially because they are boosted to 18 to make it easier. Once again, proving you probably never played WAR. In fact, I see Level 10 people fighting level 20 people in scenarios everyday. They don't normally win 1 on 1, but they can very much help the team and contribute to the fight.

And just because you fanatically post over and over and flood the topic with only your opinion doesn’t make you right all the time. And it definitely doesn’t make you right because you say so. EvE is a totally different game I agree, they are nothing alike, but under it all, it’s the same thing. You don’t get more and more money/skills in EvE because it serves no purpose; it makes you stronger and better. Like I said before, a level 1 doesn’t just go into 0.0 and live by himself. You can argue it’s possible, but I can do the same for WAR.

So if you think you “crushed” my argument ... that makes me lose even more respect for you. You’re just dead wrong and so “hyped up” with how right you think you are, aka arrogant, you can’t see that.