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Originally posted by LordDraekon

What amazes me is the small-mindedness and general mulishness of Mark's attitude. Maybe that's why DAoC server population right this moment looks like this:

Currently defending the realms:
1,391North America
2,015 GOA Europe
3,406

That's from the Camelot Herald. Those are not numbers to be proud of and, frankly, I'm surprise EA gave this guy as much free reign as they have. Unless there's a shift in management, this is the future of Warhammer and it won't take 7 years to get there. People have a lot more choices now and, as a poster above so aptly put it, once some people leave, they never look back.

You talking about the Camelot Herald ie: Dark Age of Camelot, or the WAR Herald for... Warhamer? Some scientists are now saying that they're two different games.

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by LordDraekon

What amazes me is the small-mindedness and general mulishness of Mark's attitude. Maybe that's why DAoC server population right this moment looks like this:

Currently defending the realms:
1,391North America
2,015 GOA Europe
3,406

That's from the Camelot Herald. Those are not numbers to be proud of and, frankly, I'm surprise EA gave this guy as much free reign as they have. Unless there's a shift in management, this is the future of Warhammer and it won't take 7 years to get there. People have a lot more choices now and, as a poster above so aptly put it, once some people leave, they never look back.

 

You talking about the Camelot Herald ie: Dark Age of Camelot, or the WAR Herald for... Warhamer? Some scientists are now saying that they're two different games.

Those are the combined populations of all the DAoC server just a few minutes ago. To me, this speaks volumes because Mark likes to point to DAoC as evidence of Mythic's ability to run an MMORPG and justification for why they made some of the choices they did with WAR. I know DAoC has been around for a while, but best case server populations of less than 5000 players for a game focused on RvR is nothing to crow about.

As I've said before, I love the Warhammer IP and I'd really like to see the game take off and do well. Initially, I was even hoping that, yes, they'd take a big bite out of WoW's customer base but this attitude of "If you have a problem, just cancel" and the fact that Mythic doesn't care why really has my nose out of joint. I've got an $80 Collector's Edition sitting here from a company who was eager to sell it, but once they have my money, couldn't care less about me as a customer. Yes, I've cancelled and Mythic didn't even care enough to wonder why.

Originally posted by LordDraekon

What amazes me is the small-mindedness and general mulishness of Mark's attitude. Maybe that's why DAoC server population right this moment looks like this:

Currently defending the realms:
1,391North America
2,015 GOA Europe
3,406

That's from the Camelot Herald. Those are not numbers to be proud of and, frankly, I'm surprise EA gave this guy as much free reign as they have. Unless there's a shift in management, this is the future of Warhammer and it won't take 7 years to get there. People have a lot more choices now and, as a poster above so aptly put it, once some people leave, they never look back.

I didn't want to be as obvious as your comments, but I tend to agree. They walked a very thin line and chose the path of we will do what we want. Very dangerous especially considering the volatile nature of players today. they will leave and never look back.

 

P.S. I think the numbers are off

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by LordDraekon

What amazes me is the small-mindedness and general mulishness of Mark's attitude. Maybe that's why DAoC server population right this moment looks like this:

Currently defending the realms:
1,391North America
2,015 GOA Europe
3,406

That's from the Camelot Herald. Those are not numbers to be proud of and, frankly, I'm surprise EA gave this guy as much free reign as they have. Unless there's a shift in management, this is the future of Warhammer and it won't take 7 years to get there. People have a lot more choices now and, as a poster above so aptly put it, once some people leave, they never look back.

 

You talking about the Camelot Herald ie: Dark Age of Camelot, or the WAR Herald for... Warhamer? Some scientists are now saying that they're two different games.

Those are the combined populations of all the DAoC server just a few minutes ago. To me, this speaks volumes because Mark likes to point to DAoC as evidence of Mythic's ability to run an MMORPG and justification for why they made some of the choices they did with WAR. I know DAoC has been around for a while, but best case server populations of less than 5000 players for a game focused on RvR is nothing to crow about.

As I've said before, I love the Warhammer IP and I'd really like to see the game take off and do well. Initially, I was even hoping that, yes, they'd take a big bite out of WoW's customer base but this attitude of "If you have a problem, just cancel" and the fact that Mythic doesn't care why really has my nose out of joint. I've got an $80 Collector's Edition sitting here from a company who was eager to sell it, but once they have my money, couldn't care less about me as a customer. Yes, I've cancelled and Mythic didn't even care enough to wonder why.

I have as well. I would have liked to think they will do well, but not much has changed. I myself look with admiration at DAoC way back when, but when looking at it objectively the company and game weren't all that great. Was hoping for an improvement.

Originally posted by sunlion69

Originally posted by LordDraekon

What amazes me is the small-mindedness and general mulishness of Mark's attitude. Maybe that's why DAoC server population right this moment looks like this:

Currently defending the realms:
1,391North America
2,015 GOA Europe
3,406

That's from the Camelot Herald. Those are not numbers to be proud of and, frankly, I'm surprise EA gave this guy as much free reign as they have. Unless there's a shift in management, this is the future of Warhammer and it won't take 7 years to get there. People have a lot more choices now and, as a poster above so aptly put it, once some people leave, they never look back.

 

I didn't want to be as obvious as your comments, but I tend to agree. They walked a very thin line and chose the path of we will do what we want. Very dangerous especially considering the volatile nature of players today. they will leave and never look back.

 

P.S. I think the numbers are off

Those are Mythic's posted numbers. In fact, they shed a couple hundred players just since I copied and pasted it from their site. If anyone's remotely curious (or bored) you can see for yourself:

www.camelotherald.com/news/index.php

My apologies Lord...my mistake.

Originally posted by sunlion69

My apologies Lord...my mistake.

No apologies necessary, my friend. I had a hard time believing what I was reading myself. DAoC was my first MMO and full of potential. It's sad to see such a decline, especially when it's due to simple neglect.

Well... after a review of most of the posts attached to this subject I'm amused that Mark's reasoning seems validated.     

Enjoyed the interview Jon, looking forward to the continuation.

DAOC is kinda old you know ... I wouldn't play it just because of that most likely. Not because the graphics itself, but because of certain systems that we got accustomed in newer games that were just not present back in the day. Playing one today I feel like my hands are tied.

AO was my favortie MMO back in the day, however I went back to check it out a couple of months ago and I just couldn't play it anymore ... that is when I decided not to spoil all my good memories and just leave it there.

To get back to the point, DAOC imo is too old to be a good comparison to how WAR will work and DAOC numbers of active players mean exactly nothing. We will see ho WAR will manage in a month or two, it is definitely too early to start whining about how things will be or not be handled.