WAR (Warhammer Online)

OP really needs to look up what an mmorpg is cause well hes way way off in his opinion.

I will make this brief before I goto work for the day.

1) You are comparing WOW's primary focus to WAR's secondary focus. Yes WOW would have the edge in this, but concider this, WAR has 6 complete storylines from beginning to end, while WOW has individual starting areas, you are funnelled into 2 basic lines (each continent) and share the story everyone else, instead of each race having a complete story from beginning to end.

2) I think we have a different definition of grinding. I think of grinding as doing the same thing repeatitively for a reward. After Chapter 1, I could do everything once (even the senerios) and not have to repeat a thing to get to the next area.

3) I tend to look at it this way. They do not waste my time having to repeat things in order to get something useful for my character (because I got a reward designed for someone else). I can choose to repeat things I find fun, but not out of necissity in order to get something useful.

To end, I think we can agree to disagree because I think the quests, rewards are solely focused on the character and his development conciderably more than WOW is. Them handing you something that is completely useless for you as a "reward" for doing something is nothing more than a slap in the face for your work. If you appriciate those type of things, I wish you well. WotLK is about to slap WOW players once again, and more are going to thank them for it and ask for more. I am not one of them.

Originally posted by ZeppelinJ0

I find WoW's brilliance to be rooted in the MMO market as well as the genre itself.

 

In order for an MMO to be successful now, that MMO needs to be like WoW.  This obviously was Mythic's take on making a game that a lot of people will subscribe to, and this also seems to be the case for a number of already released and soon-to-be released MMO's.

To garner the subscription numbers these MMO's need to find a way to be as good as or better than WoW which generally results in a small lapse in WoW numbers followed by a surging return when said game reaches failure.

WoW is brilliant because Blizzard is brilliant and there's no denying that.  Sadly the entire genre suffers in originality due to it's unprecedented success.

Yep. Can't agree with you anymore. I can't wait until a new game comes out that overrides WoW. I'm not saying it because I necessarily "hate" wow. It's because I'm ready for a new genre of games. I'm sick of the cartoon feel. I want some real graphics.

It'll take time. Warhammer had the chance because of all the hype but just didn't live up to it. GREAT game that I'm going to continue playing, however; won't pass Wow. I'm looking for a game to surpass wow and takes it's subscribers. That'll be hard as hell to do because wow players are filled with those which wow was their first game, lol. Which means when they go to play games like lineage 2 or any new games coming out such as darkfall or mortal online, they are hit by the differnt graphic feel. However, look at the ps3 or the 360. We look for good graphics on games on the console systems. I really wish a game would come out on pc that's an mmorpg that blows my mind with graphics and has the best gameplay out. That game will be way better then wow.

I hope they aren't overhyping darkfall. I am not overhyping it myself. Nope, not again. I'm watching the forums once a week on dark fall and that's it. It should be a good game though. The graphics look nice and they look like a mix of l2 and wow. They look very shiny. I like clear graphics and less cartoon like graphics.

Originally posted by xfrozenx

Originally posted by ZeppelinJ0

I find WoW's brilliance to be rooted in the MMO market as well as the genre itself.

 

In order for an MMO to be successful now, that MMO needs to be like WoW.  This obviously was Mythic's take on making a game that a lot of people will subscribe to, and this also seems to be the case for a number of already released and soon-to-be released MMO's.

To garner the subscription numbers these MMO's need to find a way to be as good as or better than WoW which generally results in a small lapse in WoW numbers followed by a surging return when said game reaches failure.

WoW is brilliant because Blizzard is brilliant and there's no denying that.  Sadly the entire genre suffers in originality due to it's unprecedented success.

 

Yep. Can't agree with you anymore. I can't wait until a new game comes out that overrides WoW. I'm not saying it because I necessarily "hate" wow. It's because I'm ready for a new genre of games. I'm sick of the cartoon feel. I want some real graphics.

It'll take time. Warhammer had the chance because of all the hype but just didn't live up to it. GREAT game that I'm going to continue playing, however; won't pass Wow. I'm looking for a game to surpass wow and takes it's subscribers. That'll be hard as hell to do because wow players are filled with those which wow was their first game, lol. Which means when they go to play games like lineage 2 or any new games coming out such as darkfall or mortal online, they are hit by the differnt graphic feel. However, look at the ps3 or the 360. We look for good graphics on games on the console systems. I really wish a game would come out on pc that's an mmorpg that blows my mind with graphics and has the best gameplay out. That game will be way better then wow.

I hope they aren't overhyping darkfall. I am not overhyping it myself. Nope, not again. I'm watching the forums once a week on dark fall and that's it. It should be a good game though. The graphics look nice and they look like a mix of l2 and wow. They look very shiny. I like clear graphics and less cartoon like graphics.

You gotta understand brosky that no matter how long you wait before video games stop looking like cartoons you will have been dead for 100 years. Seriously, even in ten years, video games will be flat screen representations of reality, hence cartoons by deifnition almost.

Originally posted by Wow4Lifer

Originally posted by xfrozenx

Originally posted by ZeppelinJ0

I find WoW's brilliance to be rooted in the MMO market as well as the genre itself.

 

In order for an MMO to be successful now, that MMO needs to be like WoW.  This obviously was Mythic's take on making a game that a lot of people will subscribe to, and this also seems to be the case for a number of already released and soon-to-be released MMO's.

To garner the subscription numbers these MMO's need to find a way to be as good as or better than WoW which generally results in a small lapse in WoW numbers followed by a surging return when said game reaches failure.

WoW is brilliant because Blizzard is brilliant and there's no denying that.  Sadly the entire genre suffers in originality due to it's unprecedented success.

 

Yep. Can't agree with you anymore. I can't wait until a new game comes out that overrides WoW. I'm not saying it because I necessarily "hate" wow. It's because I'm ready for a new genre of games. I'm sick of the cartoon feel. I want some real graphics.

It'll take time. Warhammer had the chance because of all the hype but just didn't live up to it. GREAT game that I'm going to continue playing, however; won't pass Wow. I'm looking for a game to surpass wow and takes it's subscribers. That'll be hard as hell to do because wow players are filled with those which wow was their first game, lol. Which means when they go to play games like lineage 2 or any new games coming out such as darkfall or mortal online, they are hit by the differnt graphic feel. However, look at the ps3 or the 360. We look for good graphics on games on the console systems. I really wish a game would come out on pc that's an mmorpg that blows my mind with graphics and has the best gameplay out. That game will be way better then wow.

I hope they aren't overhyping darkfall. I am not overhyping it myself. Nope, not again. I'm watching the forums once a week on dark fall and that's it. It should be a good game though. The graphics look nice and they look like a mix of l2 and wow. They look very shiny. I like clear graphics and less cartoon like graphics.

 

You gotta understand brosky that no matter how long you wait before video games stop looking like cartoons you will have been dead for 100 years. Seriously, even in ten years, video games will be flat screen representations of reality, hence cartoons by deifnition almost.

I realize this. However, look at Madden 09 for example on the ps3 or 360. On a LCD HD tv it looks OMG. The players look almost realistic. See but I'm referring them as to real players in life which they are, so it's unfair. I'm comparing them to people in life which is visual to the eye. Graphics are getting so close to looking less cartoony and more realistic. I'm just looking for more games like Lineage 2. The clear graphic type of games that have a more realistic feel.

By the time games reach realistic it'll be the year 2200, if the world isn't done with by then.  By that time we'll have flying cars and I'll be long gone.

Originally posted by Wow4Lifer

You gotta understand brosky that no matter how long you wait before video games stop looking like cartoons you will have been dead for 100 years. Seriously, even in ten years, video games will be flat screen representations of reality, hence cartoons by deifnition almost.

Have a look at graphics from ten years and compare them to what we have now. 

When making such a comparison it should be obvious that graphics are improving much faster than you are imagining.

It's going to 5-10 years before this happens, not 100 years after he's dead.

In fact the latest generation of console games are nearly there now.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_Law

OP - I disagree with your post on almost every point you've made.   While I can appreciate that you have veiled your WoW fanboi status behind carefully chosen words,  I can't agree with anything you've presented here.

If WoW took the first step down any road in the MMO genre, it was the road to dumbed down simplicity.  I have no problem with making a game more accessible to everyone, but it seems that you yearn for a classic EQ style MMO.  Its really ironic that the arguments you are making here are the exact same arguments that EQ fanbois made years ago.

"I did not regret buying WAR at all. But I probably won't resubscribe and will take WotLK instead. I don't mean to insult WAR - I'm just stating that its design goals and philosophy doesn't really suit my playing style."

This is by far the most intelligent comment you made in your post.  The WAR philosophy doesn't match your playing style.  Thats fine.  Unfortunately, based on your points above, I would have to say WoW doesn't match your play style either.  You should have titled your thread "How WAR made me realize what a subtly brilliant game EQ is"

Your first point "1) The combat just doesn't "feel" good." 

I've felt the same about every game I've played since AC darktide.  The combination of collision detection, location specific damage, and user input on every single attack is something that has seen no peer before or since.  Really WAR combat is WoW combat with additional features (like combustion et all).

Your second point "2) Questing is so easy it's trivial." 

Firstly, its obvious that you never leveled beyond the first tier.  You're not really qualified to discuss the complexity or depth of quests when you do so from a distinctly "newbie zone" perspective.  If you had a more robust perspective of WAR then you would realize how rediculous this statement is.  WAR introduced the revolutionary concept of the public quest, and added another layer of complexity with infamy, public loot rolls, and chapter based rewards.  The quest system of WAR is lightyears beyond that of WoW.

TBH I've already invested more time in this reply than the OP warrants.  While you made a number of points, using acceptable grammar and a serviceable vocabulary, the argument you make is lacking in depth.

You're entitled to your opinion.  I'm forced to disagree given that my perspective is vastly different from your own.  I've been playing MMOs since they were invented (see Meridian 59) and I have enjoyed WAR unlike any game that has come before.  To take a different spin on your own words, the design goals (make the game fun to play) and philosophy (make PVP a central element to gameplay) suit my play style to a T.  I never liked the EQ grind tedium.  While you were playing in your sandbox I was slashing throats on Darktide.  Now I'm melting faces in a scenario while you enjoy your Tetris mini-game style grind fest.

More power to you.  Given your comment:

"In WAR I can just stand around in scenarios or RvR and half-assedly do some damage and healing and I'd come away with a healthy stream of points." 

I'd have to be honest and say I'm glad you won't be staying.  People like myself don't log into scenarios for the "points."  We join scenarios because like to compete, and we like to win.  Haveing someone like yourself standing around doing a half-assed job because you still get your points is an insult to the rest of us who are doing our damnedest to fight and win.