World of Warcraft

I guess when Wotlk comes out I'll be back in there. I played War for a little over a week now. It's not bad but, it's also not that good either.

The graphics look nice but, the gameplay isn't nearly as smooth and the gold spammers are frikkin all over that game and unlike WoW there is no program to automatically remove and ignore them.

I kind of on the fence myself.  WAR isn't bad, but I'm not sure if there's a compelling reason to play it over WotLK.  Most likely I'll see what the guild is doing.

What I do like though is that there's a good alternative on the market.  I feel that I can shift between the games when I get burned-out on one or the other.  Yeah, they're similar, but there are concepts that I like about each; for example, I do enjoy the PQs in WAR and the different scenarios.

that was generally my opinion too.

Warhammer isn't terrible, but it's not good either.  There are just too many things that aren't as good WOW.  I'm also seriously concerned about realm populations.  There are a ton of med population servers that are WAY unbalanced...   Box sales have dried up and the game isn't getting new players.   Most servers are not  going to have competitive RvR.

I've been playing Lake Wintergrasp and it is really much more fun than Warhammer seiges... and then you have the whole PVE side of it.

It usually takes a few months to get rid of most the goldspammers so I don't doubt they will at least be a lot fewer in 3 months.

Still if you enjoy Wow more than there is no reason for you to continue WAR, a waste of time to not play the game you prefer.

Originally posted by Mentat

I guess when Wotlk comes out I'll be back in there. I played War for a little over a week now. It's not bad but, it's also not that good either.

The graphics look nice but, the gameplay isn't nearly as smooth and the gold spammers are frikkin all over that game and unlike WoW there is no program to automatically remove and ignore them.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, and I won't argue with you about the first part of your post.

As for the 2nd part, especially the gold spamming....well, you're wrong. Yes, there are gold-spammers, but there ARE tools to ignore them. They aren't built into the game yet, but the tool in WoW wasn't built into the game until what, 2 or 3 years after release? The devs have even advertised on the main-site a really good add-on to automatically ignore the spammers, and avoid seeing their spam. Not to mention the running tally the WAR devs have going on the Herald, or the fact that gold in WAR doesn't have nearly as much value as it did in WoW b/c you just don't need it as much.

Originally posted by teddyboy420

Originally posted by Mentat

I guess when Wotlk comes out I'll be back in there. I played War for a little over a week now. It's not bad but, it's also not that good either.

The graphics look nice but, the gameplay isn't nearly as smooth and the gold spammers are frikkin all over that game and unlike WoW there is no program to automatically remove and ignore them.

 

 

You're entitled to your opinion, and I won't argue with you about the first part of your post.

As for the 2nd part, especially the gold spamming....well, you're wrong. Yes, there are gold-spammers, but there ARE tools to ignore them. They aren't built into the game yet, but the tool in WoW wasn't built into the game until what, 2 or 3 years after release? The devs have even advertised on the main-site a really good add-on to automatically ignore the spammers, and avoid seeing their spam. Not to mention the running tally the WAR devs have going on the Herald, or the fact that gold in WAR doesn't have nearly as much value as it did in WoW b/c you just don't need it as much.

You can't have it both ways.  Players continue to say "but wow has such old graphics".  Well, the plus side of being an old game is that they've dealt with a lot of issues already that players will have to suffer through.

The question a player has to ask is " Which game, THIS MONTH, will be more fun to play and is worth the $15".   The goldspammers in Warhammer are a big issues.. you can't expect players to 'deal' with it themselves.  Most players don't use forums or visit the games homepage.

Here is why WH is a let down, its not the 40k universe.

Well here's my beefs/mini review of the game. (Note:  I've added notes in green where appropriate)

1) Water is very problematic. Can't go underwater. Skills don't animate right in the water. Jumping into water from a height causes damage.

2) Mob distribution is bad. There are too many champions and champions don't drop better loot so you spend a lot of your time avoiding the champions. Mobs are so close together and respawn so quickly that there's a very good chance of repops killing you before you make it to your intended objective. Mobs are not linked so that you can pull a single mob from a group of 5 or six to kill it so named mob quests are just stupid easy.

3) Quests are poorly implemented. They are not grouped together, they are very spread out and rarely can you complete more than 1 quest in an area before having to move somewhere else. Quests themselves are very easy to complete in most cases you can usually kill a couple mobs, grab what you need or kill the one named mob you need and leave. Even killing 10 mobs is so easy because stuff respawns so quickly, so you spend most of your time running from 1 quest location to another and spend almost no time actually doing the quest itself. Because of this quests don't give you any feeling of accomplishment.

4) Itemization is very poor. You'll look essentially the same at level 1 that you do the rest of the game. Weapons don't have any special effects like glows or really cool looking armor. Very few stats on weapons and armor, mostly just increase one or 2 stats and then some resistances. Where is + to damage, + to crit, + to hit, + to attack speed, + to armor, etc etc etc. You name it, it's not there.(Note: There at higher levels, but still too little to late in my opinion)

5) UI is lacking. Can't link items in chat. Mini-map zoom function returns to default setting everytime you start the game. AH filtering doesn't work completely. No target of target etc etc etc.

6) Fun factor is missing. Ever hear of emotes? Try putting more then /lol in the game please. There doesn't seem to be anything to do in the game except kill stuff. No dancing.  No fishing, no fair, no special food or drinks that are there just for entertainment purposes.

7) PvE is lacking. No dungeons to speak of. Questing is boring (see above). Public quests are nice, but rewards are lacking and once you have hit your influence for a chapter, there's very little incentive to join so PQ's are barren wastelands 90% of the time. Every once in a while you will stumble upon a PQ with someone there and you can join them, but it's few and far between. Maybe it's better on a high pop server, but then you run into queue issues.

8) Professions are weak. Doesn't seem to be a point to them. Even Apothecary seems underwhelming as potions are fairly weak or for very limited duration. There's no bandages to heal. Nothing to eat or drink to boost your stats. Talismans are hard to come by. Why is it that everywhere you go you get seeds for cultivation, but Talisman components are nowhere to be seen? 

9) PvP is not as good as it should be. The only thing this game has going for it is the PvP which is about on Par with WoW, but even that is not any better than WoW. It's nice that you can queue up for the scenario's (BG) from anywhere and it puts you back where you were when you finished, but the "warmup" time is too short. You barely have enough time to finish killing the mob you're on before you have to click "ready" or miss the opportunity. People are usually still zoning in when the scenario starts. There's quite a few more scenario's to get into than in WoW, but they still all work on pretty much the same game mechanic, capture the flag or hold the flag, there doesn't seem to be much variety. Even though there's only 4 BG's in WoW it covers pretty much all the same ground that War does. For all the talk of RvR in War, there's very little of it going on. I went into an RvR zone and there was no one to be found whereas the scenario's always have people in them, pretty much exactly like it is in WoW.

 10) Performance is still a huge problem. Even though the graphics are only slightly better than WoW's, everything feels very unresponsive. You'll hear people talk about the PvP being clunky, well to me it's a matter of performance. Everything just feels sluggish and unresponsive. Seems like there is a LOT of background stuff going on. Would probably help if I had 4 gig of ram, but again the graphics are only slightly better than Wow and where I get 60 FPS in WoW consistently, in War I sometimes get like 5. Needs a lot of performance tuning.

It’s not really geared toward soloing, it’s geared toward grouping. While you can do most of the stuff by yourself, it’s just not very fun. I found myself aggravated a lot of times. Now that’s not really a fault of the game, I’m sure that’s the way War is meant to be played, but since I often find myself playing by myself, it’s got to keep me entertained when I’m not with someone else. WoW does that very well, War not so much.

I’ll probably continue to play until my first payment is due and then I’ll cancel and go back to WoW. I actually fired up WoW yesterday to play a bit and the first thing that struck me was that WoW actually looks a lot better than people give it credit for. Everything just seems to come alive in WoW compared to War even though the graphics in War are better. Things in War seem stiff and unnatural whereas things feel better in WoW even if they don’t necessarily look better. It’s hard to explain, but you just get a better sense of wonder in WoW that you don’t get in War.