World of Warcraft

Originally posted by Scalebane

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This is exactly what gets to me.  The breed of gamers that WoW has spawned.  Greedy, item-mongering elitists that can't let others enjoy their game of choice. Think about it - why make resilience, haste, and all the other stats that they made?  To make more items.  Why do they need to make more items?  To fill in the lulls of crap that the rest of the game has become.  In WoW, you're either going after an item of some sort (which is 90% of the time) or you're standing around a city, letting people oogle you (10%).

And as if that wasn't enough, you have a glorified item mall in the form of a TCG.  <shakes head>  One of my guildmates in WAR today said that he was asking some of his WoW friends to come to WAR. All I could do was cringe and pray that they would say no.

See this is what gets to me, you sit there and try to claim WoW has made every player an Elitist, greedy person and your full of crap, EVERY GAME HAS THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE even in WAR i am seeing it, and it isnt very many in either game, and nobody here is saying you can't enjoy your game of choice, but you sure as hell have to come to the WoW forums and tell people they can't enjoy WoW, try not being a hypocrite, nobody forced you to come here, somebody made a post about not likeing WAR, guess what don't come here trying to change their mind they only want to play their game of choice!

Don't act stupid about the TCG because i gaurentee this much, WAR will have one too, they already did stuff like that if you bought certain magazines you got a special item, if you pre-order C&C Red Alert 3 you get a special item, what are you gonna do quit when you see them give game items for buying their new table top mini's? it'll happen just wait.

And in WoW i enjoyed the crafting, dungeon crawling, occasional PVP, exploring, RPing, Holiday stuff they put in, etc etc.  having all that stuff is what makes an mmo fun i have never played WoW for the gear, yes some are like that but why are they like that? because the gear gets them through to see the next area of content, to be able to battle the bosses.  Tell me who is being Elitist when you are having an issue with your friend inviting people to come and play with him, try not being hypocrite once again.

If I could give you positive rep for that....I would.

The hypocrisy level of some posters on this site is absolutely staggering.  "Quit doggin' my new toy!!  'Cause YOUR toy sux!  Waaaaa!."  QQ more Fanboi WAR.  It's getting very OLD.  And I, for one, have tried posting my positive views on Warhammer (I do have a few), as well as my negative impressions, but for the MOST part, the WAR fans tend to predominantly be WoWbashers, even though a good LOT of them got at least a couple years enjoyment out of the game themselves, now they want to just go on and on and on about how "it sux."

A lot of WAR posters are a bit like lemmings.  It's "kewl" to hate WoW.  It's "kewler" to hate it and spew crap about WHY you hate it all over the forums.  It's NOT "kewl" to admit that you enjoyed it....EVER.  Because then you will be viewed as one of the "stupid elitists" that played WoW at one time.  NOT GOOD.

Pffft.

I enjoy all the things that you posted above that YOU enjoy.  Sadly, about ALL of that is missing from Warhammer.  End conclusion:  Warhammer is just not MY kind of game.  I couldn't give two sh**s and a f**k what anyone else wants to play.  I hope they STAY with Warhammer, if they're bi***ing about WoW, because it's less of that whiney crap going on when I'm playing.  WIN/WIN.

And yes, EVERY game has it's "greedy elitists."  It's hilarious that some of the WAR fans think they're going to like EVERYONE they play with.  HAHAHA...give it a few months. 

Originally posted by Rauge

Originally posted by tazarconan

Originally posted by Skrofler

Alright, I don't mind people not liking something in particular but at least they should do it with good reason. I have to defend WAR here and comment a bit on Pappy's review especially since it contains some misinformation.

1) Why would you want to go under water? There's nothing there and you would never benefit from it in combat. And what's so bad about falling damage? It's just a bit realistic.

2) What you're saying is basically true. I just don't have problems with it.

3) First off, WAR quests are very much grouped together. Check your map once more please. I agree though that quests do not give a sense of accomplishment, but then neither do WoW quests unless you're talking about the 10% drop rate ones. I wouldn't know since I don't degrade myself enough to complete them.

4) This is where I start to wonder if you played beyond level 3 or we even played the same game. You obviously never saw a level 40 character. Sure, the art style is different. It's grittier. It's for all of us who dislikes looking like the blinking christmas trees wielding almost-sword-like objects from Warcraft. The items in WAR looks slightly more as if somebody could actually wear/wield them and then go into combat. Next try not to be so hung up on WoW math and its combat system. WAR has a totally different set of stats and nothing is "missing". If you bothered to mouse-hover over your stats you would find out that Intelligence increases spell damage and.. uh... armour increases armour. Really! What were you looking at?

5) UI is highly customisable from the built-in tool. You don't like it? You can change it, but it takes more than 10 minutes so not for those with short attention span. But this is one of the areas where a lot of players are complaining, especially about linking in chat. AH filtering works fine for me.

6) "Fun factor" is not there for sure, and it's intended. Mythic didn't put any fluffy kitten crap in there since it's a game about war - not breeding kittens. There are emotes though, just not the same as in WoW. Try typing /help to get a list of all 220 commands. And why would you want fishing? To pass time? If you need to do something else just log out!
7) Yes, PvE is "lacking" if you're expecting WoW 2. But this isn't WoW 2. It's not a PvE game with some flawed PvP-system added for good measure. It's a game that totally revolves around PvP combat with a little PvE content added for diversion. Now I can't speak for the server you tried but on Burlok I'm rarely having trouble completing a PQ because of not enough players. It usually happens around 4 AM. I've never had to queue either.

8) Yes. Crafting is abysmal, and good riddance. To answer your questiong about talisman making though, you'll find those materials if you pick the scaveniging or salvaging skill. And why would you need bandages when there's potions? Bandages are just a potion with a different name and a separate cooldown. However since potions in WAR are more potent than in WoW and already on a 60 sec CD....

9) No. ..... Okay, I'll humour you with a slightly longer response. To say that the 3 BGs in WoW are enough is just... well okay, if you settle for that it's fine I guess. The scenarios in WAR are all variations of conquer and defend, of course, since how could it not be. It's all a game of strategical conflict. There really is little you can do other than to alter the terrain. Next issue... Just because there were nobody in the RvR area when you went there on your admittedly under-populated server doesn't mean that open RvR is broken. I've had plenty of action on my mid-pop server. This is something that will even out in time though. Too bad you never got to experience a keep siege. It's really something.

10) I have 1.5 Gb RAM and have no issues with response.

1Concerning the waters it has EVERYTHING TO DO with the world's realism lvls.

2.all sensible ppl know that the best pvp system is the wow's arenas ..unless u value opinions of  inmature kids that like to gang or attack from safe range in mass battles.. Skilled ppl want to fight  fair fights where you are 5 ppl vs 5 ppl.. 3 ppl vs 3 ppl 2 ppl vs 2 ppl .. Nothing fun about 8 ppl getting zerged by 40 ppl as im sure its hapopening hundrends of times in almost all servers in various times of day

Real realm vs realm needs much better combat system also than the auto attacks noobish system of wow+war and clickie clickie..u want decent and fair massive battles ?  prey aventurine will accomplish DF as they promished  to.. Rest are just to fool each other in the forums...

 

 

 

2.) I nearly pee'd my pants when I red this. WoW Arenas are NOT the best PvP system. That is a JOKE. Sure.. for a game based on PvE... It has O.K. PvP. But not good. Nowhere near WARs. You may fight fair.. but PvP in WoW is lack luster. It just doesn't have that... (no pun indeeded) "Wow!" factor that War's does. Meh.. this may have changed since I last played... but from my experience WoW's PvP was a constent grind/gankfest. BG's were a good idea... but scenarios in WAR are SOOOO much better.

 

 

-Rauge

i can say 2 things

1. Trying to compare wow's pvp and war's pvp is impossible to say war has better pvp..  i can explain that.

Wow started as PVE game after 2 years all people were farming battlegrounds gathering as much possible honor ponts to raise in ranking and to become if possible grand marshal..

That was the 1st era.. after expansion of burning crusade for 1st  time the arena system was implemented to the game giving the ultimate chalenge for pvpiers to try become with their friends the number 1 team in all the servers.. ARENA is giving the players a purpose .. The logic now in wow is to play battlegrounds , farm honor points , use them to buy some pvp gear ( bracers, boots, rings, waist,necklace) ..and along wiht the arena points and rating u get u can take slowly chest , legs,shoulders ,helmet,gauntlets,weapons..Most ppl  wont  manage to take them all cause it requires skills,and teamwork and communication in order to  get high rating  and get weapons or shoulders or helmet ..thats the 2 nd era in wow ..the arena era

ARENA is giving the players a purpose for end game pvp... ARENA is the ultimate challenge for the best pvpiers to try their skill it gives immerse ,agony  and excitment  cause if u dont play well in an arena game u loose rating and your team 's rating goeas down...if u die in arena there is no respawn and u loose..

That's the main and most essential diference between wow 's arena pvp and the other mmo's pvp

In wow's battlegrounds u dont care if u die u ll respawn ...Same goes with WAR's pvp if u die u ll respawn np.. and also it wont make huge dieference if u die in a .. uhm lets say 100 vs 100 big realm vs realm battle in war  cause its simply 99 ppl left.

Now , apart pvp scenarios and realm vs realm fights outdoors, and keep battles which are good ofc and fun im sure whats the pvp end game goal in war? from what i hear its just raiding other cities but still u dont have a goal for your character from what i hear..Conclusion since in wow there is an end-game pvp purpose goal---> arena and in war all u have is battlegrounds and raids in big cities which ofc wow has maybe not that good or organised like war has done there cant be any comarison at all..

2.As for the whats going on right now in wow? all the class fixes last year and now on  new talents and new skills + refixing of old taklents and skills have only one target : PVP hope to enlighted u

And btw those who say that wow= pve they never played wow..or played wow at start , or played wow before burning crusade expansion or  played BC but didnt made it to 70 lvl ,or went to 70 lvl tried arena ,got pawned cause they maybe lack the skill and rexlexes to survive in arenat ...

P.S. yes i would prefer an outdoor roleplaying simulation world ,with great outdoor pvp fights at keeps castles build your own castle and defend it,guild vs guild fights over provincesfor honor and glory , huge build up character progression system unlike wow and all alike almost mmos so far...

No  im not a wow fan boy played wow 3.5 years from  statrt almost till now cause i liked it almost all time ,now im kinda bored with it, was hoping WAR to be what i ve dreamed didnt happened , same with AOC ,putting now my hopes in DF praying Aventurine wont lie :/

Gameplay above all screw graficks in mmo role playing games ,gief oblivion online

Time for me to put in my two cents... lol

I personally like both games; but for different reasons.

Big differnece in the two - and people never seem to get this - is that World of Warcraft is a PvE game with PvP thrown into it. Whereas Warhammer Online is a PvP (RvR) game with PvE aspects thrown into it. So; of course the gaming styles in them are different. As another person said earlier - it's like comparing oranges and apples.

I prefer WoW of WAR but I will still play both fro a few months to try out WAR a bit.

WoW wasn't my first MMORPG I ever played - actualy; the firast I played was DAoC. But, for what ever reason I got hooked on it. It was what got my hooked on MMORPGs in the first place really. If it wasn't for WoW I would probably be still hooked on FPS (although I do still enjoy them; lol).

One thing that I seem to like - not quite sure why right now - about WAR is the Public Quests. Just kinda neat how they go in stages and you gain influence for each one and get itesm/gear/weapons based on your ranks with them.

And I also am not a fan of PvP at all. I always get my but kicked when I try and do it. However with WAR (at least for the first couple levels of Renoun) it was easy to level that. And as soon as I hit Renouon Rank 2 [whihc happened with one Scenario run] I was able to buy a new set of gear/items/weapons. And was only level 5 or so.

Now, I know WAR's RvR/PvP system is different - you have a normal level/rank then you have a Renoun Rank - but it was cool to buy a new gear that quickly. Unlike WoW where you have to either get a lot of Honor Points; or Marks - or both - and be at least level 60 for the gear and weapomns they have.

As I stated; I like them both (WoW a little better) and will play them both. I'll use WoW for my main game - to level, socialize, and such; and I'm gonna use WAR for the PQs and maybe do a good bit orf PvP/RvR content in.

They way I look at it; there are always gonna be people that say "my game is better than yours beceasue..." or "your games sucks 'casue...". It's never ending. Most the times I just read some of the posts and ignore the rest. But, I finaly wanted to respond to one.

For those that like WoW - play it and enjoy it! For those that liek WAR - play ti and enjoy! And if you like both - more power to you... lol

I want to congratulate everyone here defending Wow on ... our own Wow forums. How pathetic.
 

Just as if Wow needs defending against a very mediocre piece of software like War of AoC.

If these Wow, War and AoC would have come out at the same time, nobody would even talk about the latter 2.

Conclusion: WotLK is again (like old Wow was back then) miles further in development, polishment and pure gaming fun.

Proof? --> Try flying over your adventure lands in War and AoC with your personal flying mount. Oh it won't work?¨Pity, just like the rest of the stuff these games are about 3 to 4 years behind in research.

From manned combat tanks, to driveable artillery units, PvP just got another meaning in WotLK. And we won't even discuss the PVE dungeons or massive raids, won't we ?

:))

Originally posted by bodypass

I want to congratulate everyone here defending Wow on ... our own Wow forums. How pathetic.
 

Just as if Wow needs defending against a very mediocre piece of software like War of AoC.

If these Wow, War and AoC would have come out at the same time, nobody would even talk about the latter 2.

Conclusion: WotLK is again (like old Wow was back then) miles further in development, polishment and pure gaming fun.

Proof? --> Try flying over your adventure lands in War and AoC with your personal flying mount. Oh it won't work?¨Pity, just like the rest of the stuff these games are about 3 to 4 years behind in research.

From manned combat tanks, to driveable artillery units, PvP just got another meaning in WotLK. And we won't even discuss the PVE dungeons or massive raids, won't we ?

:))

 

If all 3 were released at the same time, WoW wouldn't have been popular at all. WoW was a mess at release, much as any MMO at release is for some reason. I guess you weren't there back then?

I don't know why I even bother replying to you. I guess your fanboi'ism makes me puke.

Opinions opinions opinions.

Thats all it comes down to some may like WoW over War I like War over WoW.  PvP is better IMHO, quests are just as good as WoW IMHO.  Glad I don't have to tab out for 8 minutes while IM flying over the land in real time, that shit is boring IMHO.  But hey some people like that, but its just not for me anymore.  

But to each his/her own.