World of Warcraft

Originally posted by Sikhander

There are less dungeons than in WoW but they are different and easier to access as a solo/casual player. And there are several.

Altdorf Sewers/Sacellum - small dungeon - compare to Stockade in WoW - Rank15-20

Mt Gunbad - 3 wings/dungeons in one - First large dungeons very much like SM in WoW - Rank24-30

Bastion Stair - Huge PvE dungeon - Rank: High 30's

Bilerot Burrows/Bloodwrought Enclave/Sigmar's Crypts/Warpblade Tunnels - Small Dungeons - rank40

Lost vale - Huge PvE dungeon - Rank 40

This is in at the moment. Include that some PQs are like small dungeons and quite hard as well - for example: The Tower of Neborhest (5 phases in a large tower with respawns behind you - rocks tbh).

Decent for a PvP game.

2 Small and 3 large dungeons is not that impressing, even AoC have 3 times as many at least. No, they could have thrown in a lot more. The game did release too early as most MMOs.

Just because a game is mainly PvP it can still have nice dungeons. Dungeons is a part of the lore and therefore should be more part of te game. Mythic did focus of the War in Warhammer, but Warhammer is so much more, if they used more from the RPG you would get more feeling in the game.

Fortunatley we have not seen how the game will look in a year and hopefully they will fix all these things. War still have the potential to be a great game.

Originally posted by Mentat

I guess when Wotlk comes out I'll be back in there. I played War for a little over a week now. It's not bad but, it's also not that good either.

The graphics look nice but, the gameplay isn't nearly as smooth and the gold spammers are frikkin all over that game and unlike WoW there is no program to automatically remove and ignore them.

 

Automatic gold spam fitler? What are u talkiing about? The only such filter I have seen is in Vanguard and WoW is the most gold spam flooded game I have ever seen...

Originally posted by SonofSeth

I haven't played WAR but I spend a decent amount of time reading about it and I still can't find a single reason to pay for it other that RVR.

In every other aspect of the game it just seems like a dumbed down version of WoW.

I'm still little iffy about the ToK, I was never into achievments, they always detracted from immersion, but I like how you unlock new info just by playing the game.

Neither have most of the people on these forums who are complaining about it; I appreaciate that you were honest enough to admit it.  My hat is off to you SonofSeth.

Originally posted by Loke666

2 Small and 3 large dungeons is not that impressing, even AoC have 3 times as many at least. No, they could have thrown in a lot more. The game did release too early as most MMOs.

Just because a game is mainly PvP it can still have nice dungeons. Dungeons is a part of the lore and therefore should be more part of te game. Mythic did focus of the War in Warhammer, but Warhammer is so much more, if they used more from the RPG you would get more feeling in the game.

Fortunatley we have not seen how the game will look in a year and hopefully they will fix all these things. War still have the potential to be a great game.

I actually think this is really good out of the box. The key focus is still the T4 campaign with the city sieges which is also in so I do not agree with your conclusion. And I doubt people felt SM was 'one' dungeon for example. It was three in essence. Same here with Gunbad, Bastion Stairs and Lost vale.

WoW has/had more - but that is natural since it is a PvE game. At release you had Strat, Scholo, LBRS and UBRS as normal dungeons - and MC as the first end-game content. Here you have 2 small dungeons, Bastion Stairs and Lost vale as normal dungeons. And then the T4 campaign as the end-game portion. We can split hairs all we want but there is plenty of content in WAR out of the box. The game has other sides that need short-term fixing but content is not one of them.

Originally posted by Pappy13

I ran into one more problem that I'd like to bring up and see if any of the War players can set me straight.  The first 2 toons that I played, I leveled up from doing quests for the most part and when I ran out of quests in an area I queued up for the scenario's to get my rlvl up.

With my 3rd toon, I did things a bit different.  Rather than doing much questing, I spent almost the whole time in the scenario's and doing RvR.  I found that I could pretty much level up both my level and rlvl at the same time.  I liked that I could do this, but I have run into a problem now.  Since there doesn't seem to be a way to determine what level quests are designed for, if I want to do some questing, I don't know where to go to pick up some appropriate level quests.  I also don't know which quests I've outleveled and should abandon or should not take.  Is there any way to determine if quests are level appropriate for me or if I'd be better off just skipping them?  In WoW quests in your quest log are color coded so it's easy to see which quests you have outleveled so you can abandon them.  Also NPC's will not indicate they have a quest for you to take if it's not level appropriate for you so you know not to take it.  You can still talk to them and see they have a quest and take it if you want, but you know in advance if the quest is level appropriate.

Another problem I'm having is finding Renown Trainers.  I can find career trainers practically in every little outpost I come to, but Renown Trainers are no where to be found.  I should point out that I'm talking about Tier 1/Tier 2 of the High Elves.  There's a couple renown trainers early on, but then nothing for about 8 rlvls.  Going back to the renown trainers I found earlier have nothing else for me.  Either I'm missing them or they are not there.  Where are they?  The same goes for the Flight Masters.  They are too spread out.  I spend a lot of time running back from my Rally Master to get to a place that has a Flight Master.  I'm thinking that there should be a Flight Master and a renown trainer at pretty much every rally master or at the very least every other rally master.

I guess I'm just used to having a central place to find these things like you have in WoW.  In WoW I always have my hearth stone set to one of the major cities and hearth back every night before I log off.  Then when I start the next day, I can hit all the things at once, like picking up supplies at a merchant, checking the AH.  Check my bank.  Check the mail, etc etc.  It's really handy.  I find myself running around a lot trying to find a way to do these things in War and it's not really very handy.  What am I doing wrong?

Hey Pappy,

Questing

I never found a problem levelling up when I tried questing but I also intermingled it with RvR.  There are guildies of mine who just quested and PQ grinded to 40 tho.  They flew to each quest hub did all the quests and grinded most of the PQs.

The quest hubs are around level appropriate chapters.  If you level is appropriate for the chapter you will see them pop up.  If they are too high you don't see them offered.  You can tell what quests to do by the xp they give.  You can always do ones that give less xp in lower chapters.

Even if you levelleled up with PvP you can still kind of gauge where to go by the specific chapters.  There are also maps on various websites which list them (you can google it).

I often got lost in WoW too, I used websites sometimes to find the next quest hub.  But since you can't PvP level in WoW and could only PvE it seemed easier since you were always looking for it.

Same problem with the quests when TBC initially launched.  I was the 3rd to 70 on my server and ran out of quests to do even though I did every one (since I was in beta) and I had to grind.  Later they added more quests.

Renown Trainers/Merchants

Renown trainers and merchants are in the warcamps in Tier 1 but at Tier 2 and up they are only located in the keeps to provided some incentive to getting keeps back.  Same for the flight masters, there is one in every RvR lake.  I don't find them any harder to find than in WoW in fact they seem easier because all you need to do is head towards the RvR zone (where the keeps are) and die an you will respawn at a warcamp with renown trainer/flight master.

In WoW I don't think I went to the major cities right away especially on my first character, I didn't set my hearth stone to org til at least 30+ I set it to wherever I was questing.

If you have questions come to WAR forums and ask tho.  There are more people there that can help probably.

I PvPed to level mostly so I'm not the most knowledgeable about the PvE tho. 

Keep sieges and PvP are also a great way to level up with tons of fun.  I got 30% of a level in a keep siege the other day.

Running around

Every town has a merchant you can sell stuff and most of them have mailboxes.  I never had problems in this respect.  There was a mailbox right at my starter area for humans.  You can turn these on in your map and minimap. I think that's the main problem.  Once they are on you can see them very easily.  And if you turn mailboxes on there is one in every town so you can see the town way before you get there and head towards it.

Only thing I wish is there were more AH and bankers around but then again they didn't add more in WoW til later cept for the city.

Hope that helped :)

Originally posted by Kokushibyou

Originally posted by SonofSeth

I haven't played WAR but I spend a decent amount of time reading about it and I still can't find a single reason to pay for it other that RVR.

In every other aspect of the game it just seems like a dumbed down version of WoW.

I'm still little iffy about the ToK, I was never into achievments, they always detracted from immersion, but I like how you unlock new info just by playing the game.

 

Neither have most of the people on these forums who are complaining about it; I appreaciate that you were honest enough to admit it.  My hat is off to you SonofSeth.

As a kid I could never understand why people liked baseball.  On paper it seemed like the dumbest game on earth to me.  Then I played it and it was so much fun.

See i have played WAR and know its terrible :P. Some of the worst controll over a character i have seen in a game in general. People wouldn't hate this game if it was not going up against wow which people love to hate.