World of Warcraft

Originally posted by Pappy13

There were 19 dungeons (some with mutliple parts) in WoW at release.  You could pretty much level up doing nothing but dungeons.  I'm sticking with my original assessment.
 

Pappy - at least be honest enough that 'no dungeons to speak of' is much less than the list I provided - and hence you were misinformed.

Ehh...he like WoW better than WAR, and sometimes his comments border on fanboyism and ignorance. While he does that, you other guys not one speck better though. The WoW hate on this site is staggering at times. I find ignoring it easier, but each their own.

Originally posted by Sikhander

Originally posted by Pappy13

There were 19 dungeons (some with mutliple parts) in WoW at release.  You could pretty much level up doing nothing but dungeons.  I'm sticking with my original assessment.
 

 

Pappy - at least be honest enough that 'no dungeons to speak of' is much less than the list I provided - and hence you were misinformed.

Sorry but I disagree.  2 dungeons half way thru the game just isn't enough.  We can quibble about the wording all we want, but the general idea still stands.  The game is lacking in PvE, including the number of dungeons.

If you are playing WAR for PVE then I am confused. Did anyone play DAOC for PVE? Don't mean that to sound harsh but I don't go to McDonald's for fried chicken... I go to KFC or Popeye's.

I'll give you fanboyism, but not ignorance.  I don't comment on things I know nothing about.  I played War for over a month.  That's enough time to form an opinion on the game.  I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I wasn't ignorant on the subject matter.  I don't have to know exactly how many dungeons are in the game to know it's not enough when you hit level 20 of 40 and you've only seen 1 dungeon.

And by the way, some of the reply's I've seen have been incorrect or at the very least less than completely accurate.  I've tried salvaging just normal greens and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.  I don't know what the problem is but Talisman making is a joke of a profession.  And I was right about the emotes, they are sorry.  Try comparing emotes in War to just about any other game and they are terrible.  Most have no animation.  Most have no sound.  It simply says "so and so yells".  Well whoop de freakin' do!  There's no dancing, yeah I know, it's all about the war and there's no dancing in war.  Don't these people celebrate a victory?

Sorry, but the game just lacks a lot of stuff that is expected in an MMO.  Don't believe me though, just look at the indicators.  Sales of the game have slowed.  XFIRE numbers are dropping.  Recent reviews have been tougher on the game.  Subscription numbers will be coming out soon and it's not looking good.  It's gonna do about as well as AoC did, maybe a bit better, but that's it.  It's not even gonna do as well as LOTRO.  Mythic didn't knock the ball out of the park.  They took a swing and they fouled it off.  It could have been so much better especially coming from a developer that already had 1 MMO under their belt.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Originally posted by dterry

If you are playing WAR for PVE then I am confused. Did anyone play DAOC for PVE? Don't mean that to sound harsh but I don't go to McDonald's for fried chicken... I go to KFC or Popeye's.

And when I'm choosing ONE restaraunt for ALL my dining needs, I pick one that has a breakfast, lunch and dinner menu, not one that just serves breakfast.

Originally posted by Pappy13

Sorry, but the game just lacks a lot of stuff that is expected in an MMO.  Don't believe me though, just look at the indicators.  Sales of the game have slowed.  XFIRE numbers are dropping.  Recent reviews have been tougher on the game.  Subscription numbers will be coming out soon and it's not looking good.  It's gonna do about as well as AoC did, maybe a bit better, but that's it.  It's not even gonna do as well as LOTRO.  Mythic didn't knock the ball out of the park.  They took a swing and they fouled it off.  It could have been so much better especially coming from a developer that already had 1 MMO under their belt.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Pappy13: You know I really played WoW for a long time and give the game alot of credit. It is the kind of nonsense above that scares me from someone that praises himself to be objective.

Just like anyone could predict X-fire numbers grew like mad in the early days of WAR release. After that there has been a decline since some players do not like the game and the players that do play the game play slightly less than in the first 2 weeks of crazy ranking up.

After that there has been a steady inflow of players and now the X-fire numbers are growing again after release on a week-to-week comparison basis.

All of this is as expected after a massive release (it is exactly how numbers would play out if you would model it). When someone then states that 'sales have slowed', 'X-fire numbers are dropping' etc without any reasoning to back it up it is borderline ignorant.

My hope is that both WAR and WoW will become strong brands in the market. WoW already is. So far WAR is delivering exactly what you can expect from a game that will become a strong brand. What the coming months will show is unknown however.

Stop spreading lies.

Originally posted by Sikhander

Originally posted by Pappy13

Sorry, but the game just lacks a lot of stuff that is expected in an MMO.  Don't believe me though, just look at the indicators.  Sales of the game have slowed.  XFIRE numbers are dropping.  Recent reviews have been tougher on the game.  Subscription numbers will be coming out soon and it's not looking good.  It's gonna do about as well as AoC did, maybe a bit better, but that's it.  It's not even gonna do as well as LOTRO.  Mythic didn't knock the ball out of the park.  They took a swing and they fouled it off.  It could have been so much better especially coming from a developer that already had 1 MMO under their belt.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

 

Pappy13: You know I really played WoW for a long time and give the game alot of credit. It is the kind of nonsense above that scares me from someone that praises himself to be objective.

Just like anyone could predict X-fire numbers grew like mad in the early days of WAR release. After that there has been a decline since some players do not like the game and the players that do play the game play slightly less than in the first 2 weeks of crazy ranking up.

After that there has been a steady inflow of players and now the X-fire numbers are growing again after release on a week-to-week comparison basis.

All of this is as expected after a massive release (it is exactly how numbers would play out if you would model it). When someone then states that 'sales have slowed', 'X-fire numbers are dropping' etc without any reasoning to back it up it is borderline ignorant.

My hope is that both WAR and WoW will become strong brands in the market. WoW already is. So far WAR is delivering exactly what you can expect from a game that will become a strong brand. What the coming months will show is unknown however.

Stop spreading lies.

You are in denile. 

According to X-fire, the game topped out at #4 on 9-24 less than a week after it released, it held steady at number 5 for a couple weeks and then yesterday dropped to 6th although today it's back up to 5th.  That's not good for a game that has been out for less than a month.  If the game was seeing a steady increase in play time, then that would be reason for optimism, but a decline in numbers less than a month from release indicates that it's not gaining momentum, rather it's losing it from a strong launch.  AoC did about the same thing when it was released, hovered around the top 5-10 for the first month, but has since dropped like a stone to #34.

http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

Check out Amazon.com and look at the top games.  It's number 11 on the list.  They sold about a 1/2 million copies either pre-release or in the first couple days and then topped out at around 750 thousand copies sold.  It's slipping week to week.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/12508701/ref=pd_ts_zbw_vg_12508701_more?&pf_rd_p=302739501&pf_rd_s=right-4&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=229575&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=120JH4ZJ6ATPSH1S746W

It started out on Gamerankings.com with a score of around 91 which is very close to WoW's score, but since it has dropped to 87.3.  That's still VERY good, but DaOC had a better score and LOTRO was very close.

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

I'm sorry that this is hard for you to swallow.  It must be very frustrating.  It's very much like when Warhammer 40K, Dawn of War was released for me.  I LOVED the game and told everyone I knew how great it was and that they should all get it, but very few people did.  I've bought all the expansions and have told everyone I can that it's a great game, but unfortunately it just never caught on like some other games that were inferior to it in my opinion.  It still has many loyal customers including myself, but it's never had the success I thought it deserved.  I love the Warhammer universe and I really did want War to do well.  My desire to play WoW has waned from what it was a year ago and I truly have been looking for a good alternative, but it has not materialized.  I tried Tabula Rasa.  I tried Guild Wars.  I tried LOTRO.  I attempted to try AoC, but I could never get into the beta nor could I ever get a trial key from anyone (is that even working yet?).  And now I've tried War.  I thought enough of the beta to purchase the game and if WoTLK was not coming out next month I probably would have renewed for another month, but from what I have seen WoW is still the better product and since it has such a HUGE lead as far as subscriptions go, the other games just haven't been able to make a dent.

I have been playing games with a group of about 10 guys for about the last 5 years or so.  I did manage to convince 1 guy to give War a try.  He got into the beta with me and quit playing it in like 2 days and went back to