WAR (Warhammer Online)

Considering that a good healer can keep his team up and alive as the classes are set up now, if you introduced a bunch of AOE heals into the game it would just make the healing classes very overpowered.

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Unicorns_Pwn

Originally posted by Cochran1

Sounds like Order on your server needs to learn to play as a team rather than, trying to solo the entire field. My wife has tried almost every class ( with the exception of DoK and Warpriest ) and hasn't had any problems keeping people alive. Every night now in gates of ekrund I see 3 or 4 iron breakers coming after my Black Orc and while I'm keeping them busy, my teammates are ripping thru Orders healers and casters. Has nothing to do with balance and everything to do with your teammates knowing what to do.

stop arguing with actual facts and good gameplay tips. The OP wants to bash this game by means of using vague statements backed up by nothing but his good word. Everyone else is wrong and a fucking moron.

 

Where am I bashing the game ?? , Its seems the fanboi mentality has got a hold of you my freind , dont want hear any critiscism of WAR ?   Well dont come here bashing people with a different opinion too yours .

how about post #38,  #41, #43 for starters?  There is no fanboi mentality as my complaints are quite long winded as well. The problem is you come in here and spew of problems that noone else seems to be having about a class you want to play. First off you want to heal and buff yet instead of a pure healer you pick a  hybrid class. You failed at picking a character and then at mechanics  most other people can handle. You complain of others telling you aren't doing your job. You aren't supposed to be the main healer as a AM You need to have a thick skin as a healer that's for damn sure and you need a good team playing with some bit of strategy.  You act like you want to be able to heal everyone and save everyone all the time and what fun would that be for the other team. Some people are going to fall and you get some say on which ones don't.

There are larger more pressing problems then your lack of understanding and bad choice of class selection.

Originally posted by Unicorns_Pwn

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Unicorns_Pwn

Originally posted by Cochran1

Sounds like Order on your server needs to learn to play as a team rather than, trying to solo the entire field. My wife has tried almost every class ( with the exception of DoK and Warpriest ) and hasn't had any problems keeping people alive. Every night now in gates of ekrund I see 3 or 4 iron breakers coming after my Black Orc and while I'm keeping them busy, my teammates are ripping thru Orders healers and casters. Has nothing to do with balance and everything to do with your teammates knowing what to do.

stop arguing with actual facts and good gameplay tips. The OP wants to bash this game by means of using vague statements backed up by nothing but his good word. Everyone else is wrong and a fucking moron.

 

Where am I bashing the game ?? , Its seems the fanboi mentality has got a hold of you my freind , dont want hear any critiscism of WAR ?   Well dont come here bashing people with a different opinion too yours .

 

how about post #38,  #41, #43 for starters?  There is no fanboi mentality as my complaints are quite long winded as well. The problem is you come in here and spew of problems that noone else seems to be having about a class you want to play. First off you want to heal and buff yet instead of a pure healer you pick a  hybrid class. You failed at picking a character and then at mechanics  most other people can handle. You complain of others telling you aren't doing your job. You aren't supposed to be the main healer as a AM You need to have a thick skin as a healer that's for damn sure and you need a good team playing with some bit of strategy.  You act like you want to be able to heal everyone and save everyone all the time and what fun would that be for the other team. Some people are going to fall and you get some say on which ones don't.

 

There are larger more pressing problems then your lack of understanding and bad choice of class selection.

There are plenty of other people feel the same way as me, and complaining about things you want to see in the game is not bashing the game , I like WAR and have some good other characters that I think are very cool indeed , Witch Hunter being one of my faves ... but I'll stick to my original arguement and that is the Healing classes need some TLC , if you dont agree fine but dont get aggresive with others who disaggree with your viewpoint.

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Unicorns_Pwn

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by Unicorns_Pwn

Originally posted by Cochran1

Sounds like Order on your server needs to learn to play as a team rather than, trying to solo the entire field. My wife has tried almost every class ( with the exception of DoK and Warpriest ) and hasn't had any problems keeping people alive. Every night now in gates of ekrund I see 3 or 4 iron breakers coming after my Black Orc and while I'm keeping them busy, my teammates are ripping thru Orders healers and casters. Has nothing to do with balance and everything to do with your teammates knowing what to do.

stop arguing with actual facts and good gameplay tips. The OP wants to bash this game by means of using vague statements backed up by nothing but his good word. Everyone else is wrong and a fucking moron.

 

Where am I bashing the game ?? , Its seems the fanboi mentality has got a hold of you my freind , dont want hear any critiscism of WAR ?   Well dont come here bashing people with a different opinion too yours .

 

how about post #38,  #41, #43 for starters?  There is no fanboi mentality as my complaints are quite long winded as well. The problem is you come in here and spew of problems that noone else seems to be having about a class you want to play. First off you want to heal and buff yet instead of a pure healer you pick a  hybrid class. You failed at picking a character and then at mechanics  most other people can handle. You complain of others telling you aren't doing your job. You aren't supposed to be the main healer as a AM You need to have a thick skin as a healer that's for damn sure and you need a good team playing with some bit of strategy.  You act like you want to be able to heal everyone and save everyone all the time and what fun would that be for the other team. Some people are going to fall and you get some say on which ones don't.

 

There are larger more pressing problems then your lack of understanding and bad choice of class selection.

 

There are plenty of other people feel the same way as me, and complaining about things you want to see in the game is not bashing the game , I like WAR and have some good other characters that I think are very cool indeed , Witch Hunter being one of my faves ... but I'll stick to my original arguement and that is the Healing classes need some TLC , if you dont agree fine but dont get aggresive with others who disaggree with your viewpoint.

I'm not being aggressive as much as you're not getting it. You picked a hybrid class that can heal well. What we really need more of is PURE HEALERS. we need more rune priests. All they do is heal, they dont need to go in the middle of a fight and whack things with hammer or deal with juggling class mechanics. they heal, buff and if time allows add some dps in. Their mechanic is simply making sure no WE jump them and while keeping people alive make sure they don't drain their AP too fast. The class you chose is a secondary healer that actually has some good buffs and debuffs as well as better dps than say a Rune Priest.

I've played four Healing classes, two on each side. Of course, if you are the only healer, you will have trouble healing an entire Scenario Warparty. Group heals wouldn't help there either, because they only work on your party, not the entire warband.

If there is at least one other, fairly competent healer, unless the rest of the warband is severely out ranked, I don't have much trouble keeping up.

If the battle goes on too long with out the tide swinging our way, AP does become a problem, but that's the way it should be.

I started a Zealot going into Tier 1 scenarios at level 2. Healers are the only archetype that can still be effective at lower levels in Scenarios and my level 2 healed for over 20,000 during that match.

Open those party frames for all the parties, so you can heal anyone in the Warband, or get a healing frame add on to make it more compact. (Trying to target the toons directly is a frustrating waste of time, use the party frames).

Do I sometimes have to prioritize and let someone die to keep someone else alive? Yes. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Do I have to keep an eye on the UI to ensure someone I select from the frame is close enough to be targeted and is in range of the heals? Yes. That's were skill comes in, but anyone can learn if they try. Do I have to maintain awareness of my surroundings, watching for threats and knowing where to run if need be? Yes. (Hint, rather than running away, unless the tide has turned and the enemy is in mop up mode, running into the frey is usually the best way to let your team mates see someone is trying to take you out, so they can stomp on them).

If you set up your interface properly , spread your heals around the warband and keep an eye on your surroundings, 20,000 healing in Tier 1 is an achievable goal and will provide huge benefit to your side. Sometimes the nature of the battle means you have fewer spam healing opportunities and you will fall short of that goal. Other times, the battles will be fast and furious and you will exceed them.

However, even with out group heals, there is no reason a Tier 1 healer in this game can't heal for roughly 20,000 per scenario. If you are falling well short, it's not the game, it's your lack of skill. However, that is NOT a put down, you CAN learn to do it right and you will get better the more you play.

Originally posted by ketrine

I have a lvl 15 Archmage, and I am usually the top healer in scenarios on the order side.   I use up all my action points spamming heals and heals over time and my one ward and hardly have any damage at all, and I still can't save everyone on my side.  Sometimes your health will go down way too fast for any healer to keep up, especially if you've got more than one damage dealer on you.  Don't expect to get a heal if you're always running off by yourself too, if you're far away I can't get to you in time.

Healing will keep ya busy, that's for sure. 

AMEN to this one! I just started a shammy not to long ago man i love that little guy but i cant keep everyone healed what i mainly do is consintratedon the tanks IF i can i will get the off tanks and mages as well basicly what i do is a little fighting, see someone'es health go down and just drop a heal on them then if i notice someone in the middle of an order gang beating i consintrate on healing that person to try and keep them alive. Really dont know why people whine about a "group" heal this makes it a bit more challanging. People are going to die thats the nature of any MMO a specially the zergers. As i always warn the group "yous no protecty me...me lets you die then me giggle and loot your sorry corpse!!!"

How about you guys learn to heal IN THIS GAME, instead of trying to suggest changes to make it like another game, where the mechanic they use in THE OTHER GAME would break more than help because you haven’t thought this through.

Also, F1-6 insta targets group members. Use it.