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Originally posted by SupderD

Originally posted by Guintu

Originally posted by SupderD

Originally posted by Guintu

The problem I have with this though is now instead of bots and your typical MMO hacks, you'll have wall hacks and other FPS hacks. 

 

Probably not.

I don't imagine most of the game being kept client side.  Most likely server side.  So, an aimbot/wall hack type program wouldn't work because it wouldn't be able to see where the other client is (In most FPS games, the server sends all of the information to the client, the client just shows what the server tells it)

 

What MMO's now are on server side?  Everyone I knowof is on client and gets hacks and bots over time.  I've been saying for a while that mmo's should be on the server instead of client but no MMO has done it yet.

Bots are different than hacks though.. bots analyze the code and pretty much.. send keystrokes back.  Was there ever an aimbot for planetside?

I never played Planetside.  I heard their were wall hacks and other types of hacks which is why I never played it.

Originally posted by Jsteiner

Here's all I have to say about hacks in games: The amount an MMO gets hack is inversely proportional to the quality of the product and the motivation of the coders.

Good code sanitizes hacks. Plain and simple. Its usually just too expensive or not bothersome enough to hotfix. Its not about the hackers. They're always gonna be there on every game. The devs already know what they're up against in that arena... its up to them to pull their weight.

 

Ummm, so you're saying WoW and WAR, and Lineage 2, the 3 biggest MMO's have poor coding?  So far no MMO is hackproof.

I can say the same for FPS', COD4, Halo3, and and Team Fortress also all have hacks.  Those are poorly coded too?

Originally posted by SupderD

Originally posted by Guintu

The problem I have with this though is now instead of bots and your typical MMO hacks, you'll have wall hacks and other FPS hacks. 

 

Probably not.

I don't imagine most of the game being kept client side.  Most likely server side.  So, an aimbot/wall hack type program wouldn't work because it wouldn't be able to see where the other client is (In most FPS games, the server sends all of the information to the client, the client just shows what the server tells it)

What MMO's now are on server side?  Everyone I knowof is on client and gets hacks and bots over time.  I've been saying for a while that mmo's should be on the server instead of client but no MMO has done it yet.

The problem I have with this though is now instead of bots and your typical MMO hacks, you'll have wall hacks and other FPS hacks. 

Originally posted by Superman0X

Originally posted by Raltar

I conisdered actually going to give it a try when it becomes free just for the heck of it. But I don't really want to reinstall the game just to play what I already know isn't worth the effort. We now know it will never develop into the game it needed to become, so why wate the time?

The thing about making it free to play permanently is that there really isn't such a thing as a free game. Every game out there makes money somehow. If not by subscription fees, then by sales of the software or in-game ads or though (god forbid) a cash shop. TR was designed to make money from subscription fees. Trying to translate it now into something else would just muck it up even more and since NCsoft obvioualy isn't planning on putting any more effort into development, the game will clearly never get any better than it is now, so who would continue to play anyway?

 

I am familiar with how F2P works (it is a business model, not a charity). I do think that if NCSoft were to allow this title to pass to another publisher, so that it could get a fresh start (NCSoft has already given up on the game) it would do well.

Re-Designing a game for F2P isnt as hard as you may think, especially for those companies that have actual experience with how these games work.

I agree with you.  Look at Archlord and RF Online, both were pay games made into F2P games.  Thats what I meant in my post anyway, not for NCsoft to make it free, but for them to sell the game.  Plus if they sold the game it would make up for some of the cost they put into it already.

I wonder if they'll look into selling the game, or if they're just going to shred it and forget it like they did with Auto Assult.  Its strange their just making it free for a month, they should give the payed players freedom to pick any game they want to play for free for their account and make it free now.  I'tll be interesting to see how many people start playing it when it becomes free.

I just want it to feel like Stargate.  I hope to not see Jeffa standing around waiting for someone to attack them.  I want quests that feel right, not just clear out a room.  This game can be great or it can be just another run of the mill MMO with the Stargate name tagged on to it.

Originally posted by Polikarpov

Originally posted by Guintu

 I don't know where you're getting your news from or if you're just making it up but I don't see any article that AoC s being sold.  I Googled it, looked on Funcoms site and on AoC site and their is NO news. If you're just doing hypotheticles then don't post it here.  If its not happening then why are you even thinking it and why should we care?

 

Did you notice the "IF" word at the beginning of my sentence? I didn't say "OMG AoC has been sold!!!". I said " If AoC is sold..". Now can you see the difference?

And don't say it's not happening. You don't know. And neither do I. But we do know 80-90% of subscribers have quit AoC and some people estimate Q3 report might look really bad.

If you don't care then fine, you can move on. I'm just speculating here and trying to get a discussion going.

What if, what if, what if.  What if the world blew up?  What if I won the lottery?  What ifs are worthelss.  Speculation is worthless unless their is possible proof and their isn't.  I play AoC and I have many friends who play AoC and we have fun.  Keep it to yourself.  Its Saturday, I'm going out with friends, you stay home and speculate all day long.

Originally posted by Polikarpov

I have to admit I don't know much about what happens to MMO's when they are sold so that's why I'm asking.

I believe the standard policy is to buy a game and have a skeleton crew of 3-5 people to run it, trying to milk it as much as possible to get some profit.

But has there been a situation where a company that bought an MMO actually tried to improve it and invested a lot of money into it? And if there has, were they successful?

I think most people hate FC even more than the game so maybe if some other company bought FC, people might come back. Also if they got rid of those incompetent FC devs (the worst ones at least), hired some real professionals, took the servers down for a year, and added tons of new content and features, it could make AoC a totally different game.

With the current situation, I doubt any other company wants to buy AoC and keep developing it, but who knows, it might happen.

I don't know where you're getting your news from or if you're just making it up but I don't see any article that AoC s being sold.  I Googled it, looked on Funcoms site and on AoC site and their is NO news. If you're just doing hypotheticles then don't post it here.  If its not happening then why are you even thinking it and why should we care?

I was in the beta and knew I wouldn't pay for it right away.  I know it'll turn out to be a good game but most MMO's its good to wait 6 months or more till they have most of the kinks out of it. 

I have friends playing it and they're having fun but they do say their are problems still.  I'm more critical than they are so I'll just wait.

Hmmmm, this goes against Acclaims business model which is F2P for ALL their games.  Makes me wonder if Mirage works for the Devs of Spellborn or if this person is just trying to screw with us.

"About Acclaim Games Inc.
Acclaim is a revolutionary company with a familiar name. Three years and 7 million registered users ago, former Activision CEO Howard Marks purchased the Acclaim name looking to revive one of the video game industry’s former giants. With the help of renowned game director David Perry, Marks succeeded. Today, Acclaim offers some of the finest in multiplayer online gaming while using a new, free to play business model. Acclaim strives to offer its users a fun, community-oriented experience with a selection of titles ranging from casual browser games to hardcore MMOs. To learn more, visit www.acclaim.com."
 

SO if the game only has a F2P area but its P2P to exit the free area then it goes against Acclaims business model.

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

Total opposite here. The more I play MMORPGs, the less I want to play MMORPGs. In fact, the more I play online, the less I want to play online. Although I do play multiplayer, it's normally local.... as in you can see and talk directly to the other players... because you're in the same room.... <sigh> Kids today!!

 

I agree with you.  The more I play MMO's the more I hate them.  Every single one I play (P2P or F2P) have the same stupid fighting dynamics...except AoC but it has other issues that will hopefully be fixed.  Their are some MMO's coming out in the future (hopefully this year) that look interesting and may be a good boost to MMO gaming but right now all games I've played have just bored me to death.  I play mostly single player games and sometimes multiplayer.  The problem I find with multiplayer (and also with MMO's) is after a few months of a new game coming out it gets riddled with hackers, bots which totally ruins the game for me.  On the Xbox 360 you probably have fewer people cheating but I like the keyboard and joystick much more (at least until someone comes out with a better way to control your character). 

The Released games listed to the left I've played more than half of them and none of them have kept my interest.

Originally posted by Calintz333

Because free 2 play means free to start playing and once ur into it around half way up the levels it turns into 20-30 bucks a month to get anything done. So that Free 2 play game just forces you to depend on a item mall to progress because all of them have to make money some how, Sure there maybe ways to do it without the cash shop thats an old argument bottom line if u dont use it after a certain level in EVERY free 2 play game you cant compete and you cant succeed.

I've played so many F2P games and have never bought anything in a cash shop.  The cash shop is for people who want to basically cheat to get ahead.  You don't have to use the cashs hop if you don't want to.