All Posts by demren

On skull throne i havnt seen anyone talk since the first day 1 time and that was it.   Only people who talk are those who are in guild.

everyone whos played the game has seen spam for gold your just trolling

Alot of people who have reached Tier 4 are quiting.  Why?  Because Tier 4 resets.  You only have 1 hour to take the last fortress OR the entire Tier 4 campaign resets for ALL races.  That includes keep posession and zone possession.   Even if you raid the city it doesnt have ANY lasting effect except it will decreas enemy city rank/.  Except for the ememy that que up for the city siege scenarios noone NOONE will even notice that thier city has been sieged.

I could go on how scenarios have killed world rvr below tier 4 but i wont.   I will leave that to the MANY threads on other sites like warhammer aliance.  Hell they didnt even implement ammo for bows or guns. 

I'm currently a member of Dusk till Dawn, but I have been thinking of going order. I have had fun while running with them, but if oder is at a population imballance at launch I will probably be leaving the guild to play order :).

Besides, if you have read the books or played the table top game  you have an idea just how vile the chaos gods are.  Even evil undead are nicer in some respects with the exception of chaos corrupted undead :P

Originally posted by Ascension08

Originally posted by demren

Originally posted by banthis

Originally posted by demren

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by demren

To clarify:

 

RvR in Daoc means open RvR

RvR in WAR means PVE and open RvR with a emphasis on instance/scenarios that are the most rewarding.  Also open RvR siege engines in WAR use a token and pad system, buy a token find a pad and presto siege engine.   No crafting or moving of siege engines off the pads.

-This info was all from pod casts and from thier main website.

If you want something like Daoc go play Daoc.

 

Right and wrong there is no longer bg/instances being more rewarding. This has been answered many times.

 

Many times? No it hasn't. When did they say that?  Its only been said that they wanted to bring the value of open pvp in line with scenarios but scenarios will still be more rewarding.  Got a link?

 

Uh last year when they took the Beta Servers down to impliment Keeps & Fortresses and balance Open RvR to be the major contribution emphasis on the war over BGs.  And again when they first started showing off Fortresses & keeps, and again when they mentioned how Scenarios are balanced for casual play and Keeps & Fortresses are part of the constant struggle.  

And again when they mentioned how Teir 4 works....Tier 4 in order to Siege on the Capital you must lock down 2 Realm Teir 4 areas which means you must take their Fortresses.  If you dont ahve their fortresses there's no way you can Siege.

and several times when they started telling us the steps to Sieging the Capitals.   BG's haven't been the major focus since last year after the beta testers consistant feedback was that BG's suck.

I say again link pls

http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/flash/pp_RvR-Changes_BR1000.html

Near the middle of the video, just a little before the middle.

 

I was talking about RENOWN and EXP not victory points.  Sorry if I wasnt clear about that before.  I won't even bother to discuss victory points until the NDA lifts.

Originally posted by banthis

Originally posted by demren

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by demren

To clarify:

 

RvR in Daoc means open RvR

RvR in WAR means PVE and open RvR with a emphasis on instance/scenarios that are the most rewarding.  Also open RvR siege engines in WAR use a token and pad system, buy a token find a pad and presto siege engine.   No crafting or moving of siege engines off the pads.

-This info was all from pod casts and from thier main website.

If you want something like Daoc go play Daoc.

 

Right and wrong there is no longer bg/instances being more rewarding. This has been answered many times.

 

Many times? No it hasn't. When did they say that?  Its only been said that they wanted to bring the value of open pvp in line with scenarios but scenarios will still be more rewarding.  Got a link?

 

Uh last year when they took the Beta Servers down to impliment Keeps & Fortresses and balance Open RvR to be the major contribution emphasis on the war over BGs.  And again when they first started showing off Fortresses & keeps, and again when they mentioned how Scenarios are balanced for casual play and Keeps & Fortresses are part of the constant struggle.  

And again when they mentioned how Teir 4 works....Tier 4 in order to Siege on the Capital you must lock down 2 Realm Teir 4 areas which means you must take their Fortresses.  If you dont ahve their fortresses there's no way you can Siege.

and several times when they started telling us the steps to Sieging the Capitals.   BG's haven't been the major focus since last year after the beta testers consistant feedback was that BG's suck.

I say again link pls

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by demren

To clarify:

 

RvR in Daoc means open RvR

RvR in WAR means PVE and open RvR with a emphasis on instance/scenarios that are the most rewarding.  Also open RvR siege engines in WAR use a token and pad system, buy a token find a pad and presto siege engine.   No crafting or moving of siege engines off the pads.

-This info was all from pod casts and from thier main website.

If you want something like Daoc go play Daoc.

 

Right and wrong there is no longer bg/instances being more rewarding. This has been answered many times.

Many times? No it hasn't. When did they say that?  Its only been said that they wanted to bring the value of open pvp in line with scenarios but scenarios will still be more rewarding.  Got a link?

To clarify:

RvR in Daoc means open RvR

RvR in WAR means PVE and open RvR with a emphasis on instance/scenarios that are the most rewarding.  Also open RvR siege engines in WAR use a token and pad system, buy a token find a pad and presto siege engine.   No crafting or moving of siege engines off the pads.

-This info was all from pod casts and from thier main website.

If you want something like Daoc go play Daoc.

You have dyes and trophies to make you look different from others in your class.

Originally posted by murphys123

Originally posted by demren

People expecting that this will be anything close to Daoc is gonna be even more pissed. :P

 

Not exactly true. People who get pissed about video games technically don't count because they aren't real people.

Kind of but then that would mean most of WoW subscriber base isnt real people either.  And yes I do agree most of them probly ride the short bus, but still... :P

People expecting that this will be anything close to Daoc is gonna be even more pissed. :P

Originally posted by Chiram

Originally posted by Dremik

Originally posted by demren

 

Also according to www.mmogchart.com   AO at its height had only 60,000 subs wich decreased sharply after launch right now there is barely 10,000 subscriptions.   AO really never had a large player base.

I played AO for 6 months after launch.  I returned when SL was released and left 3 months later it was crap.  I tried again when they made AO free but it was still crap just with less people.  So there goes that theory that I dont know crap about AO 5 years later lol

 

This is a case where the game was just too much for the player. And for that he gave up.

 

He probably failed at understanding the implant system, this is where most A.D.D kids dropped out.

wut lol, i had tier 1 and 2 jobe armor.. wow just wow lol

To be perfectly honest E3 is everything the corporations want you to know.  For example for a long time now at e3 SE claimed FFXIII was exclusive.  E3 is just a way for corps to show off, don't believe thier crap until you see it first hand.

Originally posted by Tawn47

Originally posted by jybgess

Originally posted by demren

This thread is full of win.    I swore to myself that I would post in this thread again after AoC's launch for alittle vindication.

Victory is mine! 

 

Good call +1

What does the magic 8 ball say about WAR???

 

Indeed.

I recently made a post about where WAR is going, based on all announced info people shouldnt expect anything at all like Daoc.

This thread is full of win.    I swore to myself that I would post in this thread again after AoC's launch for alittle vindication.

Victory is mine! 

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by demren

Scenarios is just more battleground bs with a different name.  Up until EA's take over and pr blitz RvR has always meant massive open world pvp.  Slowly but ever increasingly they have been changing the definition of RvR to mean something more scenario oriented.   In press releases and demonstrations RvR is now about scenarios mostly and nothing is mentioned about open pvp unless someone presses the issue directly.   With what over 12 scenarios that we do know about in WAR not including the cityseige scenarios, it seems most likely that, for those of us expecting open world pvp, the rug has been quietly pulled out from under us.

 

Actually RvR means the active fighting of one realm against another.

WAR accomplishes this in a number of ways, including scenarios. Because fighting in scenarios helps your side in the overall RvR battle, I would count it as RvR. The problem lies in thinking that this is the ONLY form of RvR.

Having had the chance to play the game a couple of times, I can tell you that the game's RvR goes way beyond the scenarios and encompasses almost all aspects of the game. Focusing on this one point seems to be taking it out of context.

 

True but that still doesn't change the fact that what has been implied, meaning when one hears the word RvR, has changed. 

Yes in the starkest terms it means realm vs. realm.   But what was implied by that term when it was used for the last 7 years was massive open world fighting.  Never before now ,has it referred to battleground, scenarios or whatever you would like to call them.  

One thing Mythic has said for the past 7 years was that the reason there were no battlegrounds in the endgame of DAOC was because it detracted from RvR. 

And yes there is many aspects beyond just scenarios, but when all of these aspects are pulling from single pool of people on a single server one aspect is gonna suffer while another flourishes.  I can safely say we know what happened to world pvp in wow right?  Who is to that is not gonna happen here?

Originally posted by xenogias

Originally posted by demren

Originally posted by jezvin

Originally posted by CrazyIvor

Originally posted by oblivionate

In DaOC, a group of 12 who were coordinated could take out 50 who were acting without a team effort.

 

I couldn't agree more Oblivionate, people who haven't played DAoC and experienced the wonder that is RvR will never understand this untill they get to play WAR.  I remember the days a well coordinated group of hibs/mids turning up at the alb gate in emain would butcher about three or four groups of albs

 

I have to agree with the daoc thing, I have talked to and read posts from tons of people who have not played daoc and simply cannot really grasp just what RvR is really like.

 

I think they changed the definition of RvR some time ago.  Whenever they mention it in press releases now  they are usually referring to battlegroun...err I mean scenarios lol.  They have what 12 according to thier website with more of them on the way not including the scenarios in the cityseige...   With all that in the way how do you expect there to be massive open world pvp?  We all saw what just a couple battlegrounds did to wow pvp.   That should be a huge neon warning sign right there. 

Also I have to mention the fact that, according to thier website thier keep siege is completly on rails.   PADS? not just on the keep but pads around the keep too? So much for using a crafting skill to build the engines and move them around like in DAOC.  It seem most likely they will be using a token system like in daoc's battleground to SPAWN the siege engine when someone uses the token at the pad. LMAO

 

You need to reread the definition of RvR or look at the other post...you know which one it is.

as to the siege ect maybe go watch/listne to the podcasts again. Yes, it is useing the pad system. Crafting skill to build them? Guess you didnt watch the crafting podcast.

Will people please at least have a half assed idea to what they are talking about before they make a fool of themself?

Careful...  

But to just respond to this, was the pod cast before or after the announcement of the content cuts.

Considering who owns the IP of each of those games listed, I highly doubt any of them will be a sandbox game.

Scenarios is just more battleground bs with a different name.  Up until EA's take over and pr blitz RvR has always meant massive open world pvp.  Slowly but ever increasingly they have been changing the definition of RvR to mean something more scenario oriented.   In press releases and demonstrations RvR is now about scenarios mostly and nothing is mentioned about open pvp unless someone presses the issue directly.   With what over 12 scenarios that we do know about in WAR not including the cityseige scenarios, it seems most likely that, for those of us expecting open world pvp, the rug has been quietly pulled out from under us.

Edit:  Fixed incorrect spelling in title of post.

Originally posted by jezvin

Originally posted by CrazyIvor

Originally posted by oblivionate

In DaOC, a group of 12 who were coordinated could take out 50 who were acting without a team effort.

 

I couldn't agree more Oblivionate, people who haven't played DAoC and experienced the wonder that is RvR will never understand this untill they get to play WAR.  I remember the days a well coordinated group of hibs/mids turning up at the alb gate in emain would butcher about three or four groups of albs

 

I have to agree with the daoc thing, I have talked to and read posts from tons of people who have not played daoc and simply cannot really grasp just what RvR is really like.

I think they changed the definition of RvR some time ago.  Whenever they mention it in press releases now  they are usually referring to battlegroun...err I mean scenarios lol.  They have what 12 according to thier website with more of them on the way not including the scenarios in the cityseige...   With all that in the way how do you expect there to be massive open world pvp?  We all saw what just a couple battlegrounds did to wow pvp.   That should be a huge neon warning sign right there. 

Also I have to mention the fact that, according to thier website thier keep siege is completly on rails.   PADS? not just on the keep but pads around the keep too? So much for using a crafting skill to build the engines and move them around like in DAOC.  It seem most likely they will be using a token system like in daoc's battleground to SPAWN the siege engine when someone uses the token at the pad. LMAO