All Posts by xaldraxius

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Originally posted by berniebear

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Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

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Originally posted by berniebear
Im gonna be honest I dont think DF is going to do OMGZ great subscription wise. Carebears are the main video game buying demographic these days and DF isnt a carebear game its too niche. But if it can pull in a few hundred thousand id be happy

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Somebody missed his bus stop and ended up in 'fantasy-land'.
A few hundred thousand would be a major success for this game. Far beyond what it has the potential for. One hundred thousand is a better estimate, and that is if it succeeds in all of the features it promises. If it doesn't? 25k max.
My personal estimate is between 50 and 60k. That's not so bad for a niche game. PvP centric games tend to kill off their own populations, literally and figuratively.

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Yes... and that somebody is you.
Ever heard of Eve Online??? Nuff said

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Eve has been around for quite a while, and has about 200k subs. At least that's what I hear. I think it's less than that, but lord knows I'm a pessimist.

I was just kidding about the fantasy land bit, I shouldn't have started out with a jibe like that and I'm sorry. :)

I as well haven't enjoyed a game as much as I used to enjoy AC. Seems that every game that comes out is basing it's combat and leveling systems off of EQ when I always felt AC was much better. Haven't read anything about Mortal Online yet, but if it is more like AC than the other games out there I will have to check it out.

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Originally posted by berniebear
Im gonna be honest I dont think DF is going to do OMGZ great subscription wise. Carebears are the main video game buying demographic these days and DF isnt a carebear game its too niche. But if it can pull in a few hundred thousand id be happy

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Somebody missed his bus stop and ended up in 'fantasy-land'.

A few hundred thousand would be a major success for this game. Far beyond what it has the potential for. One hundred thousand is a better estimate, and that is if it succeeds in all of the features it promises. If it doesn't? 25k max.

My personal estimate is between 50 and 60k. That's not so bad for a niche game. PvP centric games tend to kill off their own populations, literally and figuratively.

10 year olds shouldn't be allowed to be on the internet at all by themselves. Personally I would suggest that you take up an interest in playing console games with him. That way he has the fun of social interaction while playing a game in a controlled invironment. It would also be a bonding expirience for you and him. Otherwise you are going to have to sit looking over his shoulder for hours while he plays and he is just going to resent that.

I like lobster. If McDonalds made a lobster sandwich I'd probably eat the hell out of 'em. Unless they killed you, which they probably would.

In my opinion there are no MMOs worth playing out at this time. A lot of people seem to like WoW so you could give that a try, you certainly wouldn't have problems with it being empty.

LoTR seems to get a lot of good reveiws by people too.

I wouldn't bother with WAR as it seems to be going through a transitory period. It may shape up eventually, but right now it's not worth it IMO.

I went back to AoC for a while, but it felt pretty empty and I grew bored with it in a short time.

Eve is pretty boring unless you like doing a lot of the same things all the time. The scenery never really changes, and the combat is rather tactical and dull.

So right now I am playing Left 4 Dead. It's fun, but it's an FPS not an MMO.

I'm waiting for STO, SW:TOR, DC Universe, and Champions. Hopefully one of them will be good.

I have, and will continue to wave a yellow flag as far as this game goes. Is it a joke? Not yet, but it definately has the possiblity of becoming one. Which is unfortunately a greater possibility than the game has of delivering on all of it's promises, and or being a success.

I won't pass judgement, and I won't scream 'Vaporware!', (though I might refer to it as Darkfail on occasion just to rile somebody) but I will say that people shouldn't allow their expectations for this game to get too high. Being open PvP it is going to have one of the most offensive communities in gaming. Not everyone can win every fight, and some people can't handle losing well, and still more people don't know how to win with any manner of civility. Thus the game, even if it is as good as it's supposed to be, will tear itself apart from the inside.

Hits too close to home for me, as I've actually worked in an office much like that. It seems funny to watch it on tv, but if you are actually living it it's not so great. Playing it as a game just sounds boring.

I didn't like any of the Warcraft games either, but they kept making them. Then I hated WoW, but it turned out to be a big success. So it just goes to prove that everyone has their own personal tastes. The Star Wars ip may seem run into the dirt to you, but somebody must like it because they keep making movies, games and cartoons, not to mention all the books and comics. I liked the first 3 movies, but by the time the last three came out I was too biased by the first ones to appreciate them, but that doesn't mean they weren't good. It just means that by comparing them to the first three I was setting myself up for disappointment.

Sandbox games can be fun, but they require a lot from the community, and since WoW broke out the MMO community has changed drastically. We are no longer primarily PnP gamers who are looking for a visual representation of PnP games. Now there are a great many younger players out there who are just looking for a fun, casual kind of game where they can group with their friends if they want, and play solo if they choose. That doesn't make the games better or worse, just different. If people keep trying to compare the games they used to enjoy with every new game to come out, they are just setting themselves up for disappointment.

In the end it isn't the ip that makes the game. It's the game itself. Bioware has made some good single player RPGs in the past and I hope that they can make a good MMO. Only time will tell. But if you start judging a game before it comes out, just because of the ip, you may end up robbing yourself of a great expirience.

Depends on the gameplay, and the customization aspects. From what I've seen I'd give the former to DC and the latter to Champions. I'm going to definately give them both a try. In the end it may come down to which one has the better roleplaying community.

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by Aethios

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius

 Things are different now than they have been before. The game has suffered a lot since 2005 and admittedly has kept going despite many people figuring it would get closed, but now the franchise has been sold and a new Star Wars MMO is on the horizon. They will have zero chance of gaining new players once there is another Star Wars game out there. They are desperate at this point.

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 Save your "predictions" about SWG's imminent demise for the Veteran's refuge. This thread is about the TCG.
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Looks to me like this thread is about the game's dying throes, and SOE's attempted manipulation of the TCG to leech as much money out of it as possible. Predictions of the game's future while discussing these things seems perfectly normal to me.

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No its not, its about the TCG. If you'd like to make predictions about SWG's demise, there are have been threads pertaining to that in the Veteran's refuge since 2005.
Some people dont realise that there are games with lower populations that are still around. There is no reason to believe that SWG wont be around for a least another 3 or 4 years.
Some people think SW:TOR will kill SWG, I dont believe that either. It will certainly entice a good part of the SWG player base to try it but since they are so different in terms of type of game, I really dont see it "killing" SWG.
The NGE didnt kill SWG outright (although it was a damn good try), so I dont think anything else will.
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I am, and was talking about the financial reasoning behind the TCG, which is completely on topic.

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

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Originally posted by xaldraxius
 
 
 

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius  

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius   **SWG Vet** "See I told you this game sucked." **Dead Horse** "Please quit beating me."  

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    Stay on topic please S

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  Ok, I have to admit that this is a pretty shady tactic by SOE. But they are trying to save this game from oblivion. There are some people who still like, and still play this game and SOE is doing what they can to keep the game going. If this TCG brings more players into the game, however few, and at whatever cost, isn't it still better than having no people at all and having to shut it down?

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  No, it isnt. It will ultimately promote the attitude that whoever spends more is better. Thats not a game Im going to play in the final analysis. No hard feelings, no regrets about the great times I've had playing since 2003. Judging by the uproar in some of the threads on the official forums that are constantly being deleted, I'm not alone. S

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So since the standard of measurement between who is better has gone from time spent, to money spent, you aren't happy? I take it you have more time than money?  
 

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Casting aspirations about my financial status is not relevant to this discussion.  I could spend into eternity if I wanted to, I choose not to.
If you think gambling your money away for the CHANCE at a virtual item is your cup of tea, have at it Hos.
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aspirations
I do not think that word means what you think it means...
But otherwise, hey whatever. The game is in a financial crisis and the devs are doing something to help boost revenue generated by the few who care to play it. They are just trying to save the wretched thing, something for which you should be happy. Better to have what few actually waste the extra money on the stupid cards have something special than to have no one playing at all. Yep, it's shady and it cannibalizes the player base, but it's just business. Either buy the cards and take a chance at getting something you want, or don't buy the cards and just buy the stuff from somebody with IGC. You don't have to buy the cards, I'm sure there is nothing gamebreaking in them, just fluff. Like having extra clothes for your Barbie doll. If you want them, buy them, if not don't...

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The game is arguably in a financial crisis because of a string of bad management decisions that have the playerbase feeling almost universally shafted.  Shafting them one more time is unlikely to solve the problem.
"Yep it's shady and it cannibalizes the playerbase":  You know, I think a lot of people just wouldn't do it then.  Smed would, and did.  Have you noticed that a lot of gamers don't like that guy?
Regarding, it's "just fluff."  Other games have RMT items that are just fluff, and aren't made available by lottery.  For example, you can buy certain costume pieces in CoH.  This is just like having extra clothes for your...action figure :).  In SWG however, you can't just buy things.  If you really want something, you have to gamble for it.  Also, it's not just fluff.  The items include the fastest mode of transportation in the game and buffs to combat attributes.  It seems like you may be defending actions on the part of SOE that you're not very informed about--just an observation. 
P.S. I believe the word Sharky was looking for is aspersions.  To me, this was clear from the context of his statement.  No need to give the guy grief.  Internet forums are not known as bastions of grammar excellence.  Frankly, I find that a bit refreshing.

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Well, I didn't really give him grief over it. Many would have laughed and called him dumb or whatever, I did not. I just pointed out the definition and even used a cute little Princess Bride quote to lend some humor. But that's beside the point.
I don't think Smed, or SOE had any real choice in the matter. They had to do something, and this game has such a bad rep from CU and the NGE that no one really wants to pick it up and start playing it. So they suck a little more money out of those that do play by using the old carnival barker routine. Buy four balls and try to win a prize! What else at this point can they do? I don't think that their current subscriber base bring in enough income to cover the cost of maintaining the game, so rather than shutting the game down, which would upset everyone who plays, they are taking a chance that the TCG might make them enough to keep it in opperation. When it fails, as we have pretty much surmised that it will, I am guessing that will be it. SWG will shut down. So if you like the game, support the TCG, because it is the game's last lifeline.

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By calling people on their grammar you are doing EXACTLY what you said you were making an effort not to do. That's pretty rich coming from a guy who doesnt have a clue what he is talking about. This is clearly evidenced by your statements concerning the TCG.
People like you have been saying the game is on its last legs since 2005. As with your statements concerning the TCG,  wrong again.
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Things are different now than they have been before. The game has suffered a lot since 2005 and admittedly has kept going despite many people figuring it would get closed, but now the franchise has been sold and a new Star Wars MMO is on the horizon. They will have zero chance of gaining new players once there is another Star Wars game out there. They are desperate at this point.

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius
 
 

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius  

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius   **SWG Vet** "See I told you this game sucked." **Dead Horse** "Please quit beating me."  

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    Stay on topic please S

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  Ok, I have to admit that this is a pretty shady tactic by SOE. But they are trying to save this game from oblivion. There are some people who still like, and still play this game and SOE is doing what they can to keep the game going. If this TCG brings more players into the game, however few, and at whatever cost, isn't it still better than having no people at all and having to shut it down?

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  No, it isnt. It will ultimately promote the attitude that whoever spends more is better. Thats not a game Im going to play in the final analysis. No hard feelings, no regrets about the great times I've had playing since 2003. Judging by the uproar in some of the threads on the official forums that are constantly being deleted, I'm not alone. S

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So since the standard of measurement between who is better has gone from time spent, to money spent, you aren't happy? I take it you have more time than money?  

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Casting aspirations about my financial status is not relevant to this discussion.  I could spend into eternity if I wanted to, I choose not to.
If you think gambling your money away for the CHANCE at a virtual item is your cup of tea, have at it Hos.
S
 

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aspirations
I do not think that word means what you think it means...
But otherwise, hey whatever. The game is in a financial crisis and the devs are doing something to help boost revenue generated by the few who care to play it. They are just trying to save the wretched thing, something for which you should be happy. Better to have what few actually waste the extra money on the stupid cards have something special than to have no one playing at all. Yep, it's shady and it cannibalizes the player base, but it's just business. Either buy the cards and take a chance at getting something you want, or don't buy the cards and just buy the stuff from somebody with IGC. You don't have to buy the cards, I'm sure there is nothing gamebreaking in them, just fluff. Like having extra clothes for your Barbie doll. If you want them, buy them, if not don't...

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The problem is, its not a few.  They are making money hand over fist with that Crappy card scam (TM)
And please dont correct my grammar, I meant aspersions but I was under the influence.
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Don't drink and type! LOL...It's ok, I understand., I'm not against you or anyone else. I am just saying that at least they are trying something to save the game. Good or bad it's an attempt to save the game from being shut down.

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

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Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius
 
 

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius  

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius   **SWG Vet** "See I told you this game sucked." **Dead Horse** "Please quit beating me."  

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    Stay on topic please S

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  Ok, I have to admit that this is a pretty shady tactic by SOE. But they are trying to save this game from oblivion. There are some people who still like, and still play this game and SOE is doing what they can to keep the game going. If this TCG brings more players into the game, however few, and at whatever cost, isn't it still better than having no people at all and having to shut it down?

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  No, it isnt. It will ultimately promote the attitude that whoever spends more is better. Thats not a game Im going to play in the final analysis. No hard feelings, no regrets about the great times I've had playing since 2003. Judging by the uproar in some of the threads on the official forums that are constantly being deleted, I'm not alone. S

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So since the standard of measurement between who is better has gone from time spent, to money spent, you aren't happy? I take it you have more time than money?  

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Casting aspirations about my financial status is not relevant to this discussion.  I could spend into eternity if I wanted to, I choose not to.
If you think gambling your money away for the CHANCE at a virtual item is your cup of tea, have at it Hos.
S
 

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aspirations
I do not think that word means what you think it means...
But otherwise, hey whatever. The game is in a financial crisis and the devs are doing something to help boost revenue generated by the few who care to play it. They are just trying to save the wretched thing, something for which you should be happy. Better to have what few actually waste the extra money on the stupid cards have something special than to have no one playing at all. Yep, it's shady and it cannibalizes the player base, but it's just business. Either buy the cards and take a chance at getting something you want, or don't buy the cards and just buy the stuff from somebody with IGC. You don't have to buy the cards, I'm sure there is nothing gamebreaking in them, just fluff. Like having extra clothes for your Barbie doll. If you want them, buy them, if not don't...

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The game is arguably in a financial crisis because of a string of bad management decisions that have the playerbase feeling almost universally shafted.  Shafting them one more time is unlikely to solve the problem.
"Yep it's shady and it cannibalizes the playerbase":  You know, I think a lot of people just wouldn't do it then.  Smed would, and did.  Have you noticed that a lot of gamers don't like that guy?
Regarding, it's "just fluff."  Other games have RMT items that are just fluff, and aren't made available by lottery.  For example, you can buy certain costume pieces in CoH.  This is just like having extra clothes for your...action figure :).  In SWG however, you can't just buy things.  If you really want something, you have to gamble for it.  Also, it's not just fluff.  The items include the fastest mode of transportation in the game and buffs to combat attributes.  It seems like you may be defending actions on the part of SOE that you're not very informed about--just an observation. 
P.S. I believe the word Sharky was looking for is aspersions.  To me, this was clear from the context of his statement.  No need to give the guy grief.  Internet forums are not known as bastions of grammar excellence.  Frankly, I find that a bit refreshing.

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Well, I didn't really give him grief over it. Many would have laughed and called him dumb or whatever, I did not. I just pointed out the definition and even used a cute little Princess Bride quote to lend some humor. But that's beside the point.

I don't think Smed, or SOE had any real choice in the matter. They had to do something, and this game has such a bad rep from CU and the NGE that no one really wants to pick it up and start playing it. So they suck a little more money out of those that do play by using the old carnival barker routine. Buy four balls and try to win a prize! What else at this point can they do? I don't think that their current subscriber base bring in enough income to cover the cost of maintaining the game, so rather than shutting the game down, which would upset everyone who plays, they are taking a chance that the TCG might make them enough to keep it in opperation. When it fails, as we have pretty much surmised that it will, I am guessing that will be it. SWG will shut down. So if you like the game, support the TCG, because it is the game's last lifeline.

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius  

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Originally posted by Sharkypal

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Originally posted by xaldraxius   **SWG Vet** "See I told you this game sucked." **Dead Horse** "Please quit beating me."  

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    Stay on topic please S

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  Ok, I have to admit that this is a pretty shady tactic by SOE. But they are trying to save this game from oblivion. There are some people who still like, and still play this game and SOE is doing what they can to keep the game going. If this TCG brings more players into the game, however few, and at whatever cost, isn't it still better than having no people at all and having to shut it down?

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  No, it isnt. It will ultimately promote the attitude that whoever spends more is better. Thats not a game Im going to play in the final analysis. No hard feelings, no regrets about the great times I've had playing since 2003. Judging by the uproar in some of the threads on the official forums that are constantly being deleted, I'm not alone. S

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So since the standard of measurement between who is better has gone from time spent, to money spent, you aren't happy? I take it you have more time than money?  

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Casting aspirations about my financial status is not relevant to this discussion.  I could spend into eternity if I wanted to, I choose not to.
If you think gambling your money away for the CHANCE at a virtual item is your cup of tea, have at it Hos.
S
 

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aspirations
I do not think that word means what you think it means...

But otherwise, hey whatever. The game is in a financial crisis and the devs are doing something to help boost revenue generated by the few who care to play it. They are just trying to save the wretched thing, something for which you should be happy. Better to have what few actually waste the extra money on the stupid cards have something special than to have no one playing at all. Yep, it's shady and it cannibalizes the player base, but it's just business. Either buy the cards and take a chance at getting something you want, or don't buy the cards and just buy the stuff from somebody with IGC. You don't have to buy the cards, I'm sure there is nothing gamebreaking in them, just fluff. Like having extra clothes for your Barbie doll. If you want them, buy them, if not don't...

Hey Todeswulf, did you have a chance to see the character creator at all? I am just wondering if they are going to have as many options as CoH or Champions. What I've seen hasn't really impressed me as all the differences between created characters has been tight designs. If they have a good character creator this may be the game I play rather than Champs.