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• • Anyone lose a lot of money trying to get a loot card?

  • Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by Obraik
    

    Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by Obraik
    

    Originally posted by ArcAngel3
    

    For those that have tried to compare SOE's loot card lottery system to product promotionals, I've copied the link to Tim Horton's well-known "roll up the rim to win" campaign. 

    In SOE's game, you pay money for a chance to win loot cards that will enhance your SWG gameplay experience.

    In contrast to this, please note the conditions of an actual product promotional:

    http://www.rolluptherimtowin.com/en/prizes.php

    The first thing you'll notice is that the exact odds of winning each prize are provided.

    The second thing you'll notice if you click on the rules and redemption tab is that there is no purchase necessary to participate in the promotional.  You can participate without giving Tim Horton's any money whatsoever.

    This is a product promotional.  SOE's game of giving money to them online for the chance of winning a loot card that will enhance your gameplay is not at all similar in the way it is run.

    Failure to acknowledge this is very simply ignorance or a refusal to acknowledge reality.

    For those that claim product promotionals have different regulations in their country, it would be to your credit to acknowledge that in many North American jurisdictions, what SOE is doing is not a product promotional; it is quite simply an unregulated game of chance.

    
     

    And here's a promotion for a recent Weet-Bix promotion here in NZ, http://www.weetbix.co.nz/Terms.aspx

    Note that a) There are no odds of winning each prize and b) you get a free card set to start with (just like the SWG TCG) but if you want more you must get new cards from other Weet-Bix packs, "6.Entry to this Promotion is via the website www.weet-bix.co.nz. Enter your unique codes from Stat Attack II collectable cards. Collectable cards can be found in specially marked Weet-Bix 1kg and 750g packs, and specially marked Weet-Bix Fruity and Weet-Bix Crunch packs, at participating stores. Follow the website prompts to play Stat Attack II."

    
     

    All you've really proved is that NZ needs a major overhaul when it comes to gambling laws. Further, you are buying Cereal (an actual physical product and you are getting actual physical cards).

    There is no point in any debate with you. You are the definition of the word "Fanboi" when it comes to SWG and despite the fact that every aspect of your defense has been completely eviscerated, you continue to try and advocate the illegal activities of SOE. The fact that this could potentially exploit children should be enough for you to see sense, but not at the expense of your mindless SOE fanboism apparently.

    The good news is that I have received replies from two seperate lottery commissions who are not happy about this and and are investigating further. I dont want to give out specific details at this point but I will as I receive the results of their investigations.

    Apparently enabling illegal, underage gambling doesnt sit well with the powers that be in the US and Canada.

    S

    Why does NZ need a major overhaul of our gambling laws?  There is no public outcry over competitions such as the Weet-Bix example I provided and they're not seen as gambling.  As for getting physical cards, those cards are simply vouchers you use to redeem your card on the website which you can use to play against others within the online card game.
     

    It amuses me that you keep reverting to your "you're a fanboi" defense.  Mostly because you were calling such arguments as weak a few days ago when you were being called that by others here and yet here you are, doing the exact same thing you were critiscing them for. 

    You're right in a way though, this is a pointless argument.  It seems unlikely you're going to understand that these kind of promotions are quite normal, quite legal and quite accepted in other countries around the world.  Don't bother trying to convince me that my country and others like it are "worse off" for it because it's just as unlikely that I'll take any notice of that too ;)

    
     

    The TCG is not a promotion. You just keep dancing around the obvious because you are incapable of seeing SOE/SWG in a bad light. Everyone knows that about you, here and on the official forums (where SOE are continuously deleting any thread that makes light of this in short order), why could that be I wonder?

    Im glad you're amused, because I can assure you that the powers that be are not. Oh, and I could care less what you "take notice of". While I applaud you for helping new players (and returning players), I disregard about 80% of what you say as mindless "fanboism" (which it is).

    I think its best if we leave it there as until I get clarification, there isn't much else to say.

    Regards,

    S

    And there you go, backing into your "you're a fanboi so there!" defensive corner ;) 

    Just to clarify no, the TCG isn't a promotion but the loot cards are, however.

  • Posted: 12/02/08 1:46 PM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • Anyone lose a lot of money trying to get a loot card?

  • Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by Obraik
    

    Originally posted by ArcAngel3
    

    For those that have tried to compare SOE's loot card lottery system to product promotionals, I've copied the link to Tim Horton's well-known "roll up the rim to win" campaign. 

    In SOE's game, you pay money for a chance to win loot cards that will enhance your SWG gameplay experience.

    In contrast to this, please note the conditions of an actual product promotional:

    http://www.rolluptherimtowin.com/en/prizes.php

    The first thing you'll notice is that the exact odds of winning each prize are provided.

    The second thing you'll notice if you click on the rules and redemption tab is that there is no purchase necessary to participate in the promotional.  You can participate without giving Tim Horton's any money whatsoever.

    This is a product promotional.  SOE's game of giving money to them online for the chance of winning a loot card that will enhance your gameplay is not at all similar in the way it is run.

    Failure to acknowledge this is very simply ignorance or a refusal to acknowledge reality.

    For those that claim product promotionals have different regulations in their country, it would be to your credit to acknowledge that in many North American jurisdictions, what SOE is doing is not a product promotional; it is quite simply an unregulated game of chance.

    
     

    And here's a promotion for a recent Weet-Bix promotion here in NZ, http://www.weetbix.co.nz/Terms.aspx

    Note that a) There are no odds of winning each prize and b) you get a free card set to start with (just like the SWG TCG) but if you want more you must get new cards from other Weet-Bix packs, "6.Entry to this Promotion is via the website www.weet-bix.co.nz. Enter your unique codes from Stat Attack II collectable cards. Collectable cards can be found in specially marked Weet-Bix 1kg and 750g packs, and specially marked Weet-Bix Fruity and Weet-Bix Crunch packs, at participating stores. Follow the website prompts to play Stat Attack II."

    
     

    All you've really proved is that NZ needs a major overhaul when it comes to gambling laws. Further, you are buying Cereal (an actual physical product and you are getting actual physical cards).

    There is no point in any debate with you. You are the definition of the word "Fanboi" when it comes to SWG and despite the fact that every aspect of your defense has been completely eviscerated, you continue to try and advocate the illegal activities of SOE. The fact that this could potentially exploit children should be enough for you to see sense, but not at the expense of your mindless SOE fanboism apparently.

    The good news is that I have received replies from two seperate lottery commissions who are not happy about this and and are investigating further. I dont want to give out specific details at this point but I will as I receive the results of their investigations.

    Apparently enabling illegal, underage gambling doesnt sit well with the powers that be in the US and Canada.

    S

    Why does NZ need a major overhaul of our gambling laws?  There is no public outcry over competitions such as the Weet-Bix example I provided and they're not seen as gambling.  As for getting physical cards, those cards are simply vouchers you use to redeem your card on the website which you can use to play against others within the online card game.
     

    It amuses me that you keep reverting to your "you're a fanboi" defense.  Mostly because you were calling such arguments as weak a few days ago when you were being called that by others here and yet here you are, doing the exact same thing you were critiscing them for. 

    You're right in a way though, this is a pointless argument.  It seems unlikely you're going to understand that these kind of promotions are quite normal, quite legal and quite accepted in other countries around the world.  Don't bother trying to convince me that my country and others like it are "worse off" for it because it's just as unlikely that I'll take any notice of that too ;)

  • Posted: 12/02/08 6:44 AM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • Anyone lose a lot of money trying to get a loot card?

  • Originally posted by ArcAngel3
    

    For those that have tried to compare SOE's loot card lottery system to product promotionals, I've copied the link to Tim Horton's well-known "roll up the rim to win" campaign. 

    In SOE's game, you pay money for a chance to win loot cards that will enhance your SWG gameplay experience.

    In contrast to this, please note the conditions of an actual product promotional:

    http://www.rolluptherimtowin.com/en/prizes.php

    The first thing you'll notice is that the exact odds of winning each prize are provided.

    The second thing you'll notice if you click on the rules and redemption tab is that there is no purchase necessary to participate in the promotional.  You can participate without giving Tim Horton's any money whatsoever.

    This is a product promotional.  SOE's game of giving money to them online for the chance of winning a loot card that will enhance your gameplay is not at all similar in the way it is run.

    Failure to acknowledge this is very simply ignorance or a refusal to acknowledge reality.

    For those that claim product promotionals have different regulations in their country, it would be to your credit to acknowledge that in many North American jurisdictions, what SOE is doing is not a product promotional; it is quite simply an unregulated game of chance.

    
     

    And here's a promotion for a recent Weet-Bix promotion here in NZ, http://www.weetbix.co.nz/Terms.aspx

    Note that a) There are no odds of winning each prize and b) you get a free card set to start with (just like the SWG TCG) but if you want more you must get new cards from other Weet-Bix packs, "6.Entry to this Promotion is via the website www.weet-bix.co.nz. Enter your unique codes from Stat Attack II collectable cards. Collectable cards can be found in specially marked Weet-Bix 1kg and 750g packs, and specially marked Weet-Bix Fruity and Weet-Bix Crunch packs, at participating stores. Follow the website prompts to play Stat Attack II."

  • Posted: 12/02/08 3:09 AM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • Anyone lose a lot of money trying to get a loot card?

  • Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by Obraik
    

    Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by Obraik
    

    Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

      Why would anyone not want players to know these things?

    
     

    You have to wonder why Obraik et al seem so vehemently opposed to this. It defies the logic that any consumer would apply to this type of situation. He'd rather the government regulated people's right to have a credit card (based on their various predispositions) according to his previous comments 

    S

    
     

    I've told you the reason for my stance on this.  I suggest you take your own advice and read through the thread.  If all you got out of it is "credit card regulation" then it shows just how much reading you've actually done in this thread.

    
     

    Lol, no I also got that you are incapable of objective commentary when it comes to SWG. I came to this conclusion because that IS what you said concerning credit cards and it is an irrational statement. As I said, we have to agree to disagree.

    The issues have been clearly presented  to you and you continue to sail down denial (it's not just a river in Egypt).

    S

    Yes, because your opinion is the only valid one and anyone else is denial...

    No, once again, my opinion is based on my experiences with every other promotion that I've been part of day to day, not on some "blind worship of SWG"

    This has nothing to do with your one sided, incontravertibly biased "experiences". This has to do with facts and definitions that are not open to your interpretations.

    It fits the definition of gambling and lottery (although these are apparently different in NZ)

    Your opinons are based on the "blind worship of SWG" son, you are the essence of unobjective commentary.

    There is nothing left to say, except that based on all the available facts, you are wrong.

    Regards,

    S

    It's not fact, it's your perception of the TCG. 

    I can assure you that no, my argument has little do with any SWG influence ;)   Once again, since you've failed to read it countless times now, my opinion is based on how I see every other promotion done by every other company.

  • Posted: 12/01/08 4:20 PM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • Anyone lose a lot of money trying to get a loot card?

  • Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by Obraik
    

    Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

      Why would anyone not want players to know these things?

    
     

    You have to wonder why Obraik et al seem so vehemently opposed to this. It defies the logic that any consumer would apply to this type of situation. He'd rather the government regulated people's right to have a credit card (based on their various predispositions) according to his previous comments 

    S

    
     

    I've told you the reason for my stance on this.  I suggest you take your own advice and read through the thread.  If all you got out of it is "credit card regulation" then it shows just how much reading you've actually done in this thread.

    
     

    Lol, no I also got that you are incapable of objective commentary when it comes to SWG. I came to this conclusion because that IS what you said concerning credit cards and it is an irrational statement. As I said, we have to agree to disagree.

    The issues have been clearly presented  to you and you continue to sail down denial (it's not just a river in Egypt).

    S

    Yes, because your opinion is the only valid one and anyone else is denial...

    No, once again, my opinion is based on my experiences with every other promotion that I've been part of day to day, not on some "blind worship of SWG"

  • Posted: 12/01/08 2:37 PM
    Star Wars Galaxies